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Everyone here is so anti-copyright and pro piracy. What about independent filmmakers? Should film distribution be free so that they, like musicians, have to go

Everyone here is so anti-copyright and pro piracy. What about independent filmmakers? Should film distribution be free so that they, like musicians, have to go on tour in person to make money from their films? And by the way, why does everyone in here think it’s reasonable for musicians to be forced to go on tour in person to make money with their music? What if the musician isn’t an extroverted attention-seeking performer type? Is the work of those people worthless? Not that it matters. A flood of ai generated junk is about to hit us all and completely drown out everything made by people. The only winners will be big tech investors And again with the anti copyright sentiment: everyone seems fine with scraping the works of humans to train ais which will replace them. Maybe you feel that way because you can already retire off your Silicon Valley total comp?

drdaeman 3y ago
> pro piracy. As I see it, it's not about promoting copyright violation, it's about people with misaligned (relatively to mine) interests pushing for control over Internet. I'm of a firm belief that it's never a good idea - too risky, no matter how good the presented cause is. > Should film distribution be free Others opinion may vary, but it's not about getting free entertainment - it's about paying fair price for a convenient service. Steam had clearly demonstrated that in presence of a decent marketplace, people come and pay. The same was confirmed by Netflix and Hulu in their early days. However, while streaming platforms used to be okay-ish in their early days (in select first world regions), they got seriously enshittified to the extent people are starting to say "naaah, enough of this crap" and dust off the eyepatches. It's not about not paying (mind you, a decent setup also costs money and/or effort) - it's about getting value for your money. And that value is diminishing to the extent torrenting becomes more appealing. In other words, media distribution industry had fucked up (again), and they (again) want to shift the blame on child-eating drug-dealing evil pirates. > A flood of ai generated junk is about to hit us all Sorry, but how is this is a problem? Serious question. There is a shitload of human-made movies and books that I won't bother to watch/read anyway - and I don't see how it matters how big this pile is as long as we're not getting close to some boundary where we must pick priorities (I don't think we are). > Maybe you feel that way because you can already retire off your Silicon Valley total comp? Hah, I'd wish! Hope other folks are doing better in this regard, of course.
benlivengood 3y ago
ASCAP and other licensing groups are a reasonable deal for music. Individual record companies screw artists which is why they do better on their own label. Unfortunately other licensing groups are trying to make legal music purchasing harder and more complicated by fracturing music inventory available through certain services by requiring separate licensing agreements. By all means, artists should choose the deal that is best for them but I sure don't think a fractured marketplace is the way to go like the video industry has. Netflix was great when everyone was willing to license their content on reasonable terms. A dozen different streaming subscriptions is not worth it.
neuralRiot 3y ago
> A flood of ai generated junk is about to hit us all and completely drown out everything made by people. The kind of things that gonna be generated by AI is gonna be the same crap that is made by humans today, this is like worrying that AI-made foods would replace freezer-meal chefs. If anything the good creators will rise even higher than the mass-produced crap. Honestly I don’t lament that, there’s far fewer notable art by the day.
beej71 3y ago
I really don't want to support RIAA/MPAA. I don't care how people don't give them money, as long as people don't give them money one way or another.

drdaeman 3y ago

> pro piracy. As I see it, it's not about promoting copyright violation, it's about people with misaligned (relatively to mine) interests pushing for control over Internet. I'm of a firm belief that it's never a good idea - too risky, no matter how good the presented cause is. > Should film distribution be free Others opinion may vary, but it's not about getting free entertainment - it's about paying fair price for a convenient service. Steam had clearly demonstrated that in presence of a decent marketplace, people come and pay. The same was confirmed by Netflix and Hulu in their early days. However, while streaming platforms used to be okay-ish in their early days (in select first world regions), they got seriously enshittified to the extent people are starting to say "naaah, enough of this crap" and dust off the eyepatches. It's not about not paying (mind you, a decent setup also costs money and/or effort) - it's about getting value for your money. And that value is diminishing to the extent torrenting becomes more appealing. In other words, media distribution industry had fucked up (again), and they (again) want to shift the blame on child-eating drug-dealing evil pirates. > A flood of ai generated junk is about to hit us all Sorry, but how is this is a problem? Serious question. There is a shitload of human-made movies and books that I won't bother to watch/read anyway - and I don't see how it matters how big this pile is as long as we're not getting close to some boundary where we must pick priorities (I don't think we are). > Maybe you feel that way because you can already retire off your Silicon Valley total comp? Hah, I'd wish! Hope other folks are doing better in this regard, of course.

benlivengood 3y ago

ASCAP and other licensing groups are a reasonable deal for music. Individual record companies screw artists which is why they do better on their own label. Unfortunately other licensing groups are trying to make legal music purchasing harder and more complicated by fracturing music inventory available through certain services by requiring separate licensing agreements. By all means, artists should choose the deal that is best for them but I sure don't think a fractured marketplace is the way to go like the video industry has. Netflix was great when everyone was willing to license their content on reasonable terms. A dozen different streaming subscriptions is not worth it.

neuralRiot 3y ago

> A flood of ai generated junk is about to hit us all and completely drown out everything made by people. The kind of things that gonna be generated by AI is gonna be the same crap that is made by humans today, this is like worrying that AI-made foods would replace freezer-meal chefs. If anything the good creators will rise even higher than the mass-produced crap. Honestly I don’t lament that, there’s far fewer notable art by the day.

beej71 3y ago

I really don't want to support RIAA/MPAA. I don't care how people don't give them money, as long as people don't give them money one way or another.