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Not requiring testing seems late stage ideological-cultural destruction plan to displace America, the values and guide rails that allowed the West to prosper, a

by loceng 3y ago

Not requiring testing seems late stage ideological-cultural destruction plan to displace America, the values and guide rails that allowed the West to prosper, attempting to displace merit. I did as little work as possible in high school. I was depressed due to unknown reasons at the time, diet playing a large role in that - as well as being high functioning autistic, Asperger's, and so in classes I cared about then I was passionate in - getting the only or one of the only 101% in a computer class that that high school had given anyone due to my quickly doing my assignments and then helping anyone else who needed help. The teachers who saw me excel in their classes fought at the end of high school, my final year, when deciding what final grades to give - pitted against the teachers who saw the absolute least motivated and incompetent versions of me; they settled on giving me 80% honours - which allowed me better placement at top tier universities, technically 2 points above where my grades would have averaged otherwise - but where they had discretion. It's time the pendulum begins to swing the other way again - and then for proper education to begin so that it limits or prevents it from swinging again as far as it has recently.

kelseyfrog 3y ago
The most extreme other end of the spectrum is the South Korea model. I hope we find something that's equitable and fair.
- loceng 3y ago
  I think a key will be merit-based resource distribution - which means not having a centralized pool funded by tax payers that then is a single point of failure, nor a single point of capture for wannabe tyrants, whereby still collect taxes for the purpose of education - however distributing it based on the parents' selecting what lineage of knowledge-skillsets they want their children exposed to or indoctrinated in. Perhaps the greatest difficulty with this, for policy makers, is it's hard to quantify or account for externalized benefits. However the other end of the spectrum with the student loan scandal, giving loans to people for "education" that - has already occurred and so it's time to go back towards merit-based acceptance and distribution of resources - tied to an actual path with an ROI, and then where "liberal arts" can thrive once enough parents have enough to pay for their children to go into those programs - rather than society funding them, like we poorly-irrationally do in Canada. The policy politicians will push for will depend on if their goal is to maximize centralized control and dependance on government or not, where if more and more "students" require state-funds for "acceptable" state accreddited education - where they must comply and be "good citizens" and follow your orders, mandates, if they want to continue to be able to suck on the teet of the centralized state control - while that same state may be (and is what's happening in Canada) has policy in place to dramatically increase and continue to increase the cost of living, reducing the quality of life - so where more and more people are going to become forced to depend on the government aka a communist state; or if the state as part of their strategy is also to accept foreign students, flooding the institutions with foreign students for their revenues, also as a way to bring in revenues from external sources, for better or worse. “Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world.” ― Vladimir Lenin
  - inglor_cz 3y ago
    "nor a single point of capture for wannabe tyrants" This is a very good point. Americans rarely realize that single points of capture are magnets for wannabe tyrants. If you can't be a full dictator of the entire country for life, you may settle for being a full dictator of some massive institution that meddles in everyone's life. To be clear, I don't think that Americans are stupid for not realizing this. They just don't have enough experience with tyranny.
gosub100 3y ago
I have a related story. I was admitted to the CS department in the late 90s before it got super popular and they had to enact stricter admissions requirements. In hindsight I likely wouldn't have made the cut if those standards were applied to me. Fast forward and I've been a successful software engineer for the past 20 years.

by loceng 3y ago

kelseyfrog 3y ago

The most extreme other end of the spectrum is the South Korea model. I hope we find something that's equitable and fair.

loceng 3y ago
I think a key will be merit-based resource distribution - which means not having a centralized pool funded by tax payers that then is a single point of failure, nor a single point of capture for wannabe tyrants, whereby still collect taxes for the purpose of education - however distributing it based on the parents' selecting what lineage of knowledge-skillsets they want their children exposed to or indoctrinated in. Perhaps the greatest difficulty with this, for policy makers, is it's hard to quantify or account for externalized benefits. However the other end of the spectrum with the student loan scandal, giving loans to people for "education" that - has already occurred and so it's time to go back towards merit-based acceptance and distribution of resources - tied to an actual path with an ROI, and then where "liberal arts" can thrive once enough parents have enough to pay for their children to go into those programs - rather than society funding them, like we poorly-irrationally do in Canada. The policy politicians will push for will depend on if their goal is to maximize centralized control and dependance on government or not, where if more and more "students" require state-funds for "acceptable" state accreddited education - where they must comply and be "good citizens" and follow your orders, mandates, if they want to continue to be able to suck on the teet of the centralized state control - while that same state may be (and is what's happening in Canada) has policy in place to dramatically increase and continue to increase the cost of living, reducing the quality of life - so where more and more people are going to become forced to depend on the government aka a communist state; or if the state as part of their strategy is also to accept foreign students, flooding the institutions with foreign students for their revenues, also as a way to bring in revenues from external sources, for better or worse. “Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world.” ― Vladimir Lenin
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  "nor a single point of capture for wannabe tyrants" This is a very good point. Americans rarely realize that single points of capture are magnets for wannabe tyrants. If you can't be a full dictator of the entire country for life, you may settle for being a full dictator of some massive institution that meddles in everyone's life. To be clear, I don't think that Americans are stupid for not realizing this. They just don't have enough experience with tyranny.

gosub100 3y ago

I have a related story. I was admitted to the CS department in the late 90s before it got super popular and they had to enact stricter admissions requirements. In hindsight I likely wouldn't have made the cut if those standards were applied to me. Fast forward and I've been a successful software engineer for the past 20 years.