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You’re leaving out a lot of countries that impose death penalties for non-violent acts that are victimless and not even crimes in the West. For example adulter

by pavlov 3y ago

You’re leaving out a lot of countries that impose death penalties for non-violent acts that are victimless and not even crimes in the West. For example adultery and apostasy: “The following countries impose the death penalty for adultery: Afghanistan, Brunei,[1] Iran, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan[citation needed], Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Yemen, Sudan, Qatar.” ”As of July 2020, apostasy by Muslims (ridda) carries the death penalty in the following countries: Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, the Maldives, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia (implicitly), the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.” This is the height of state-sanctioned barbarism left in today’s world.

mavili 3y ago
As it happens quite often, you're mistaken about the apostasy part, don't know about the adultery one. Apostasy itself isn't punishable; it's when someone "deflects" to the enemy side and colludes with them. At that point it's the 'treason' aspect that carries the punishment, not because someone says they don't believe in something anymore.
- flerchin 3y ago
  This is religious nonsense. Treason is about wars between states, not changing your religion.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - mavili 3y ago
    Again, showing you don't know nothing!
Ylpertnodi 3y ago
USA still has the death penalty?
- hollerith 3y ago
  Yes, it does. But criminal justice in the US is mostly dispensed at the state level of government, and many of the 50 states do not ever impose the death penalty: https://dpic-cdn.org/production/images/StatesWithWithoutDP-Mar-23-2020.png https://dpic-cdn.org/production/images/StatesWithWithoutDP-M...
- mr_toad 3y ago
  The most recent execution by the federal government was 2021, after a gap of 17 years. A lot depends on who is president.
  - fbdab103 3y ago
    That sounded unbelievable, but Wikipedia supports it[0]. Last US federal execution in 2003-03-18 was followed by 2020-07-14. The first person executed in 2020 had been on death row for 21 years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_by_the_United_States_federal_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_by_the...
    - mxfihdsgyxegaas 3y ago
      It sounds unbelievable because its not correct[0]: >Number of executions >2025 — >2024 5 >2023 24 >Total 29 [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_the_United_States_in_2024 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_t...
      - pavlov 3y ago
        Those are executions by states, not by the U.S. federal government.
        naveen99 3y ago
        It’s the united _states_, not the federal america
mrguyorama 3y ago
I am taking umbrage at your claim that adultery is a "victimless" crime. However, definitely not death penalty worthy, even if anything ever was!
- pavlov 3y ago
  Who is the victim in adultery? The only injury is to some nebulous honor of the husband or wife. The actual problem is something the three people involved can sort out between themselves like grown-ups. No legal protections are needed. We generally don’t have honor-based injuries in Western legal systems nowadays. Blasphemy, lèse-majesté, offenses against nobility privileges — these used to be serious crimes but not anymore. Penalizing adultery is part of that same outdated value system.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > Who is the victim in adultery? Children. If there aren't any children, then sure, call it victimless. But if there are children, an adulterer is directly harming them[1]. TBH, we often forget about children when dealing in family law. Another example that comes to mind is paternity fraud, where the argument is that there's no need to find the real father if the alleged father can be violently forced into supporting the child. Everyone forgets that the child who is mislead about their father in that situation is the biggest victim. All the systems focus on the emotional well-being of the mother at the cost of the child's rights. [1] Because, at this point in time, every single piece of evidence we have ever seen supports the assertion that children living through their parents divorce have worse outcomes.
    - pavlov 3y ago
      I'm married with children. If my wife sleeps around and doesn't tell me (or the children), who was hurt? As far as I can tell, no one. Yet laws prohibiting adultery would punish her for this activity with the assumption that I'm the victim even though I suffered no injury.
      - 3y ago

by pavlov 3y ago

mavili 3y ago

As it happens quite often, you're mistaken about the apostasy part, don't know about the adultery one. Apostasy itself isn't punishable; it's when someone "deflects" to the enemy side and colludes with them. At that point it's the 'treason' aspect that carries the punishment, not because someone says they don't believe in something anymore.

flerchin 3y ago
This is religious nonsense. Treason is about wars between states, not changing your religion.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- mavili 3y ago
  Again, showing you don't know nothing!

Ylpertnodi 3y ago

USA still has the death penalty?

hollerith 3y ago
Yes, it does. But criminal justice in the US is mostly dispensed at the state level of government, and many of the 50 states do not ever impose the death penalty: https://dpic-cdn.org/production/images/StatesWithWithoutDP-Mar-23-2020.png https://dpic-cdn.org/production/images/StatesWithWithoutDP-M...
mr_toad 3y ago
The most recent execution by the federal government was 2021, after a gap of 17 years. A lot depends on who is president.
- fbdab103 3y ago
  That sounded unbelievable, but Wikipedia supports it[0]. Last US federal execution in 2003-03-18 was followed by 2020-07-14. The first person executed in 2020 had been on death row for 21 years. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_by_the_United_States_federal_government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_by_the...
  - mxfihdsgyxegaas 3y ago
    It sounds unbelievable because its not correct[0]: >Number of executions >2025 — >2024 5 >2023 24 >Total 29 [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_the_United_States_in_2024 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_t...
    - pavlov 3y ago
      Those are executions by states, not by the U.S. federal government.
      - naveen99 3y ago
        It’s the united _states_, not the federal america

mrguyorama 3y ago

I am taking umbrage at your claim that adultery is a "victimless" crime. However, definitely not death penalty worthy, even if anything ever was!

pavlov 3y ago
Who is the victim in adultery? The only injury is to some nebulous honor of the husband or wife. The actual problem is something the three people involved can sort out between themselves like grown-ups. No legal protections are needed. We generally don’t have honor-based injuries in Western legal systems nowadays. Blasphemy, lèse-majesté, offenses against nobility privileges — these used to be serious crimes but not anymore. Penalizing adultery is part of that same outdated value system.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > Who is the victim in adultery? Children. If there aren't any children, then sure, call it victimless. But if there are children, an adulterer is directly harming them[1]. TBH, we often forget about children when dealing in family law. Another example that comes to mind is paternity fraud, where the argument is that there's no need to find the real father if the alleged father can be violently forced into supporting the child. Everyone forgets that the child who is mislead about their father in that situation is the biggest victim. All the systems focus on the emotional well-being of the mother at the cost of the child's rights. [1] Because, at this point in time, every single piece of evidence we have ever seen supports the assertion that children living through their parents divorce have worse outcomes.
  - pavlov 3y ago
    I'm married with children. If my wife sleeps around and doesn't tell me (or the children), who was hurt? As far as I can tell, no one. Yet laws prohibiting adultery would punish her for this activity with the assumption that I'm the victim even though I suffered no injury.
    - 3y ago