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> Death penalty for corruption? That seems barbaric. Honestly, I think it's fine, but only if reserved for billionaires. That kind of economic power breeds arr

by tivert 3y ago

> Death penalty for corruption? That seems barbaric. Honestly, I think it's fine, but only if reserved for billionaires. That kind of economic power breeds arrogance, which needs something to keep it in check. The quantity has a quality all its own. The death penalty is definitely not OK for low level people or the sums even a wealthy regular person could have. And I don't even think it should be an option for most violent crime, either.

inglor_cz 3y ago
In places like Vietnam and China, billionaires aren't the "apex predators". The Party leadership is. That is why they can get the death penalty.
- bilbo0s 3y ago
  Don't get it twisted man. At least in China, they kill party leadership too. In fact, just to make sure no one is holding out on them, they'll take out your wife and mistress too. In China, the party is almighty, but it won't hesitate to eat it's young, it's parents, or even it's mate.
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xandrius 3y ago
Basically you are ok for death penalty strictly for other people? Seems quite convenient :D I also am OK for 100% tax to anyone who's not me or my immediate family.
- tivert 3y ago
  > Basically you are ok for death penalty strictly for other people? Seems quite convenient :D Come on. Your objection is meaningless distraction, because it's so general it's an objection to any kind of punishment of anyone proposed by anyone who isn't themselves guilty.
  - xandrius 3y ago
    Not really, if I am OK with death penalty for manslaughter, I put myself at risk (or someone I love) to be at the receiving end of that law: it happens to people without really wanting it. On the other hand, becoming billionaire is both extremely hard, bordering impossible for most people, and it's also an active choice someone who's not already billionaire can make on their way there (so they can always be just enough away from being a billionaire). That's why to me it's like being in favor for a law against martians: it really doesn't concern anyone of us, so who cares?
    - tivert 3y ago
      > That's why to me it's like being in favor for a law against martians: it really doesn't concern anyone of us, so who cares? What do you mean? A billionaire committing massive fraud definitely concerns us.
    - kazinator 3y ago
      Oh, so you're saying tivert is only in favor of the death penalty for billionaire fraudsters because tivert isn't a billionnaire, not because tivert isn't, and doesn't plan to become a billionaire fraudster? But how do you know? Is the idea that a billionaire wouldn't be posting to HackerNews?
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- aembleton 3y ago
  > I also am OK for 100% tax to anyone who's not me or my immediate family. Then your money wouldn't be worth anything as no one will want to provide you with a service.

by tivert 3y ago

inglor_cz 3y ago

In places like Vietnam and China, billionaires aren't the "apex predators". The Party leadership is. That is why they can get the death penalty.

bilbo0s 3y ago
Don't get it twisted man. At least in China, they kill party leadership too. In fact, just to make sure no one is holding out on them, they'll take out your wife and mistress too. In China, the party is almighty, but it won't hesitate to eat it's young, it's parents, or even it's mate.
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xandrius 3y ago

Basically you are ok for death penalty strictly for other people? Seems quite convenient :D I also am OK for 100% tax to anyone who's not me or my immediate family.

tivert 3y ago
> Basically you are ok for death penalty strictly for other people? Seems quite convenient :D Come on. Your objection is meaningless distraction, because it's so general it's an objection to any kind of punishment of anyone proposed by anyone who isn't themselves guilty.
- xandrius 3y ago
  Not really, if I am OK with death penalty for manslaughter, I put myself at risk (or someone I love) to be at the receiving end of that law: it happens to people without really wanting it. On the other hand, becoming billionaire is both extremely hard, bordering impossible for most people, and it's also an active choice someone who's not already billionaire can make on their way there (so they can always be just enough away from being a billionaire). That's why to me it's like being in favor for a law against martians: it really doesn't concern anyone of us, so who cares?
  - tivert 3y ago
    > That's why to me it's like being in favor for a law against martians: it really doesn't concern anyone of us, so who cares? What do you mean? A billionaire committing massive fraud definitely concerns us.
  - kazinator 3y ago
    Oh, so you're saying tivert is only in favor of the death penalty for billionaire fraudsters because tivert isn't a billionnaire, not because tivert isn't, and doesn't plan to become a billionaire fraudster? But how do you know? Is the idea that a billionaire wouldn't be posting to HackerNews?
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aembleton 3y ago
> I also am OK for 100% tax to anyone who's not me or my immediate family. Then your money wouldn't be worth anything as no one will want to provide you with a service.