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I love the way people describe what's basically a fantasy as though it could be implemented tomorrow. Do a Mars colony next.

jraines 3y ago
If we were at a point where the Line was feasible in terms of engineering and economics, we probably would be almost to the point of being able to put a colony on Mars
somenameforme 3y ago
Try to take yourself back to the past and imagine the idea of putting a seemingly endless number of electrical poles everywhere to carry telephony and electrical signals anywhere in the country, instantly. Poles that would become completely inoperable if the cable was damaged, lethal to anybody who touched them, fire hazards waiting to happen in case of natural disaster or just deterioration, and so on endlessly. And now imagine doing this in a world where there was no federal tax, the GDP was pennies (relative to today), and state of the art technology was us being on the verge of discovering that handwashing before surgery was a good idea. Really! [1] And the big goal here was to be able to put up 'electric lanterns.' It sounds so pie in the sky as to be unbelievable. And indeed it probably would never, in a million years, happen today. But it did happen in the past, and for that we owe our predecessors quite the debt! The point I make with this is that we have just an unimaginably vast level of economic power today, but it's mostly being squandered. We should be trying out grand ideas, endlessly. If we can make them work - awesome, we've radically improved the world and humanity - our descendants will thank us. If they fail, we can call it a jobs program -- certainly a much better one than trying to make stuff to go kill people half way around the globe. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
- jemmyw 3y ago
  > Try to take yourself back to the past and imagine the idea of putting a seemingly endless number of electrical poles everywhere to carry telephony and electrical signals anywhere in the country, But that's not what we did. Folks at the start of the process might have imagined that eventual situation, but they built up small networks, then a skeleton network with human connections (telegraph), then human driven routing. You can't just point at those mega infrastructure items we already have and say oh we have that so we can just apply that to another because that glosses over the whole and very long process of getting from mini projects to mega ones.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    Of course you're right that everything starts with the first step, but it increasingly seems that we're averse to even taking that step. And I'd also argue that the dramatic differences in economic and technological 'power' available today also must change what is considered a large scale. Skyscrapers, for one example, were once a visionary undertaking but have long since become completely mundane construction/engineering projects. The Line was designed to be literally modular, being made up of 135 modules of less than a km in length each. That such a "vision" is considered exceptional, to the point of even not being realistic, is something that to me feels like a complete deterioration of the vision and ambition in society.

jraines 3y ago

If we were at a point where the Line was feasible in terms of engineering and economics, we probably would be almost to the point of being able to put a colony on Mars

somenameforme 3y ago

Try to take yourself back to the past and imagine the idea of putting a seemingly endless number of electrical poles everywhere to carry telephony and electrical signals anywhere in the country, instantly. Poles that would become completely inoperable if the cable was damaged, lethal to anybody who touched them, fire hazards waiting to happen in case of natural disaster or just deterioration, and so on endlessly. And now imagine doing this in a world where there was no federal tax, the GDP was pennies (relative to today), and state of the art technology was us being on the verge of discovering that handwashing before surgery was a good idea. Really! [1] And the big goal here was to be able to put up 'electric lanterns.' It sounds so pie in the sky as to be unbelievable. And indeed it probably would never, in a million years, happen today. But it did happen in the past, and for that we owe our predecessors quite the debt! The point I make with this is that we have just an unimaginably vast level of economic power today, but it's mostly being squandered. We should be trying out grand ideas, endlessly. If we can make them work - awesome, we've radically improved the world and humanity - our descendants will thank us. If they fail, we can call it a jobs program -- certainly a much better one than trying to make stuff to go kill people half way around the globe. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

jemmyw 3y ago
> Try to take yourself back to the past and imagine the idea of putting a seemingly endless number of electrical poles everywhere to carry telephony and electrical signals anywhere in the country, But that's not what we did. Folks at the start of the process might have imagined that eventual situation, but they built up small networks, then a skeleton network with human connections (telegraph), then human driven routing. You can't just point at those mega infrastructure items we already have and say oh we have that so we can just apply that to another because that glosses over the whole and very long process of getting from mini projects to mega ones.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  Of course you're right that everything starts with the first step, but it increasingly seems that we're averse to even taking that step. And I'd also argue that the dramatic differences in economic and technological 'power' available today also must change what is considered a large scale. Skyscrapers, for one example, were once a visionary undertaking but have long since become completely mundane construction/engineering projects. The Line was designed to be literally modular, being made up of 135 modules of less than a km in length each. That such a "vision" is considered exceptional, to the point of even not being realistic, is something that to me feels like a complete deterioration of the vision and ambition in society.