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TIL (en passant, by following links, that) even Vogue runs articles concerning alternatives to capitalism.

vinnyvichy 3y ago
Totally makes sense to me. Capitalism is intrinsically unattractive to those who do not wish to sweep broader perspectives on emotion-management under the rug.. (how to extract utility from lossy information channels, basically). With that framing, extreme progressivism horseshoes into haute couture.. PGs cringe-blogging just pales -- an utilitarian reading of Wodehouse requires taking the Edwardian aristocracy seriously as intellectualls,just like, unintentionally/ironically, PG invites the best of us to skewer YCs practical ideology with postvonneumann paradigms
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  Harvard architecture being an excellent example of a postvonneuman paradigm (it has an analytic advantage in that when one pops the stack to return to a previous control state, what one finds there has conserved what was there when one originally pushed, rather than potentially being new control state to match the new data state)
  - vinnyvichy 3y ago
    Ahaha. JvN is the demiurge regnant (not Einstein, btw) so a single implementation of the quantum Harvard architecture could in principle be sufficient to deluge away the globalist-techno-nuclear-feudalism But maybe postvonneumann is already here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40029014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40029014
    - 082349872349872 3y ago
      > This is not always due to severe pathologies I don't know about severe, but it seems like something about that approach ought to count as pathological... Given the "nuclear" term of globalist-techno-nuclear-feudalism I'm not rooting for any deluges, more an erosion via steady precipitation, or perhaps just a rising tide? (compare https://www.gallimard.fr/Catalogue/GALLIMARD/Tel/Recoltes-et-Semailles-I-II https://www.gallimard.fr/Catalogue/GALLIMARD/Tel/Recoltes-et... as explained by https://people.math.harvard.edu/~knill/teaching/math22b2019/handouts/lecture15.pdf https://people.math.harvard.edu/~knill/teaching/math22b2019/... )
      - vinnyvichy 3y ago
        Ah right, Grothendieck, the less violent (albeit less effective) unabomber. He could have been a postJvN contender but alas, too laid back on implementations XD Kolmogorov option OTOH (as summarized by his life) could be the optimal interpolate https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=3376 https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=3376
        082349872349872 3y ago
        AKA the Benjamin option? When asked whether [Old Benjamin, the donkey] was not happier now that Jones was gone, he would say only "Donkeys live a long time. None of you has ever seen a dead donkey," and the others had to be content with this cryptic answer.
        082349872349872 3y ago
        Thinking about this a little more: As per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40084498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40084498 , Kolmogorov operated in an environment where he had to temper courage and only prudently seek justice. — Children, you are the owners of the camp. You! What is required of you, my friends? — (ALL IN CHORUS) DISCIPLINE! How about Galkin option? (as per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40012335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40012335 ) It doesn't solve the global problem, but it certainly widens one's local domain.
        vinnyvichy 2y ago
        World of tomorrow/travel (well, "(quantum) tunneling") documents to the future. JJ's framework is after all based on classic Indo-Judeo-Christo-European one of nerds vs jocks/2 estates against the 3rd. Kolmogorov a bit more interesting: when given the choice of projected socio-disciplinary impact, or a concrete chance to indulge in imagination, that is, to live, not, to "live" (in the sense expounded in the Talmud) , he lived. Can't fit this into JJ's dichotomy. Quantum nonlocality, something JvN had not grown up breathing, but K,AN had. Saw to it later, the very postwar counter-counter-revolution.

Totally makes sense to me. Capitalism is intrinsically unattractive to those who do not wish to sweep broader perspectives on emotion-management under the rug.. (how to extract utility from lossy information channels, basically). With that framing, extreme progressivism horseshoes into haute couture.. PGs cringe-blogging just pales -- an utilitarian reading of Wodehouse requires taking the Edwardian aristocracy seriously as intellectualls,just like, unintentionally/ironically, PG invites the best of us to skewer YCs practical ideology with postvonneumann paradigms

082349872349872 3y ago
Harvard architecture being an excellent example of a postvonneuman paradigm (it has an analytic advantage in that when one pops the stack to return to a previous control state, what one finds there has conserved what was there when one originally pushed, rather than potentially being new control state to match the new data state)
- vinnyvichy 3y ago
  Ahaha. JvN is the demiurge regnant (not Einstein, btw) so a single implementation of the quantum Harvard architecture could in principle be sufficient to deluge away the globalist-techno-nuclear-feudalism But maybe postvonneumann is already here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40029014 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40029014
  - 082349872349872 3y ago
    > This is not always due to severe pathologies I don't know about severe, but it seems like something about that approach ought to count as pathological... Given the "nuclear" term of globalist-techno-nuclear-feudalism I'm not rooting for any deluges, more an erosion via steady precipitation, or perhaps just a rising tide? (compare https://www.gallimard.fr/Catalogue/GALLIMARD/Tel/Recoltes-et-Semailles-I-II https://www.gallimard.fr/Catalogue/GALLIMARD/Tel/Recoltes-et... as explained by https://people.math.harvard.edu/~knill/teaching/math22b2019/handouts/lecture15.pdf https://people.math.harvard.edu/~knill/teaching/math22b2019/... )
    - vinnyvichy 3y ago
      Ah right, Grothendieck, the less violent (albeit less effective) unabomber. He could have been a postJvN contender but alas, too laid back on implementations XD Kolmogorov option OTOH (as summarized by his life) could be the optimal interpolate https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=3376 https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=3376
      - 082349872349872 3y ago
        AKA the Benjamin option? When asked whether [Old Benjamin, the donkey] was not happier now that Jones was gone, he would say only "Donkeys live a long time. None of you has ever seen a dead donkey," and the others had to be content with this cryptic answer.
        082349872349872 3y ago
        Thinking about this a little more: As per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40084498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40084498 , Kolmogorov operated in an environment where he had to temper courage and only prudently seek justice. — Children, you are the owners of the camp. You! What is required of you, my friends? — (ALL IN CHORUS) DISCIPLINE! How about Galkin option? (as per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40012335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40012335 ) It doesn't solve the global problem, but it certainly widens one's local domain.
        vinnyvichy 2y ago
        World of tomorrow/travel (well, "(quantum) tunneling") documents to the future. JJ's framework is after all based on classic Indo-Judeo-Christo-European one of nerds vs jocks/2 estates against the 3rd. Kolmogorov a bit more interesting: when given the choice of projected socio-disciplinary impact, or a concrete chance to indulge in imagination, that is, to live, not, to "live" (in the sense expounded in the Talmud) , he lived. Can't fit this into JJ's dichotomy. Quantum nonlocality, something JvN had not grown up breathing, but K,AN had. Saw to it later, the very postwar counter-counter-revolution.