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Isn't that the real Turing test - does it feel like it has a soul?

thanksgiving 2y ago
I want to run a experiment on humans to see if we are worthy of a turing test. 1. We tell a human (test subject) that they will be a judge but they are a test subject. We will tell them that there will be two chats -- one will have a human and the other will have a computer and they need to decide which is which. 2. We will then give them access to two real time chats but the twist is both of them will be humans. 3. Our test subject needs to rebel against the experiment and say they are both humans. What percentage of the population will be able to say both chats are humans? Is this a humane experiment? Will any ethics board clear it? Does it have any scientific value?
- thereisnospork 2y ago
  >Does it have any scientific value? Dunno, but it could probably get published and I'd at least read the comments when it gets posted to HN. Tricky bit is the design in the signaling and instructions so as to avoid biasing the results while still allowing the desired 'both are human' response. Something like a check box for each chat if that chat was a robot. If you have the budget I'd also run the control Turing test, human x computer, as well as a computer x computer test.
- nonrandomstring 2y ago
  Surely this just tests for freethinking and non-conformity. Much like Milgram and Asch found. About a third of people are highly suggestible and agreeable, they readily follow authority, fall for scams and can be hypnotised. About a third cannot be easily conned or hypnotised, are vigilant, "disagreeable" and likely to go their own way. Even of that highly sceptical, independent third, it takes a lot of courage to say "I totally know this is bullshit, and I'm done". Only a handful of Migram's subjects were able, not just to assert a moral objection to hurting a fellow human being, but to question or see through the whole ruse of fake scientists and stooges. Even if you can spot that, it takes rather a rare human to act on it, to call it out and walk away - or rather escape the parameters (get outside the box) you've been placed within.
gregw2 2y ago
Beware the cleverness of the Turing test! It is a test that selects for the ability to deceive.

I want to run a experiment on humans to see if we are worthy of a turing test. 1. We tell a human (test subject) that they will be a judge but they are a test subject. We will tell them that there will be two chats -- one will have a human and the other will have a computer and they need to decide which is which. 2. We will then give them access to two real time chats but the twist is both of them will be humans. 3. Our test subject needs to rebel against the experiment and say they are both humans. What percentage of the population will be able to say both chats are humans? Is this a humane experiment? Will any ethics board clear it? Does it have any scientific value?

thereisnospork 2y ago
>Does it have any scientific value? Dunno, but it could probably get published and I'd at least read the comments when it gets posted to HN. Tricky bit is the design in the signaling and instructions so as to avoid biasing the results while still allowing the desired 'both are human' response. Something like a check box for each chat if that chat was a robot. If you have the budget I'd also run the control Turing test, human x computer, as well as a computer x computer test.
nonrandomstring 2y ago
Surely this just tests for freethinking and non-conformity. Much like Milgram and Asch found. About a third of people are highly suggestible and agreeable, they readily follow authority, fall for scams and can be hypnotised. About a third cannot be easily conned or hypnotised, are vigilant, "disagreeable" and likely to go their own way. Even of that highly sceptical, independent third, it takes a lot of courage to say "I totally know this is bullshit, and I'm done". Only a handful of Migram's subjects were able, not just to assert a moral objection to hurting a fellow human being, but to question or see through the whole ruse of fake scientists and stooges. Even if you can spot that, it takes rather a rare human to act on it, to call it out and walk away - or rather escape the parameters (get outside the box) you've been placed within.

gregw2 2y ago

Beware the cleverness of the Turing test! It is a test that selects for the ability to deceive.