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Remember when "government spying on our phone calls" was a conspiracy? Now its "the moon is hollow" Not saying David Icke is right but I'm curious why its so

by spxneo 3y ago

Remember when "government spying on our phone calls" was a conspiracy? Now its "the moon is hollow" Not saying David Icke is right but I'm curious why its so dangerous to think the Moon can be hollow. It's nowhere as ridiculous as Flat Earth. weathering and cracking happens all the time with hollow spheres naturally so why can't it happen on the moon?

spdustin 3y ago
It can happen with hollow spheres. Seismic waves, however, do not travel through hollow spheres in the same way, and we have a number of seismometers on the Moon that have measured the impacts of recent spacecraft. As well, we've used satellites to measure the gravity variations of the moon to help identify variations in its (solid) structure.
- spxneo 3y ago
  and who owns the satellites ?
  - pavlov 3y ago
    So all the governments of the world are in on the plot to hide the true nature of the Moon. They go as far as faking gravity research data from satellites. (Seems like it might be a bit easier to just not fund this research in the first place, but whatever.) What’s inside the hollow Moon that requires this kind of coordinated long-term secrecy by governments that mostly don’t agree about anything? Russia, America, China, India, Japan, Europe — they all do moon research, so they must all be part of this.
    - spxneo 3y ago
      so when was the last time humans were on the moon able to confirm this? and why haven't we gone back?
      - pavlov 3y ago
        I'm confused. If all the data from probes and satellites is an elaborate fake, what difference does it make to send a few astronauts? They can't report the real data either. The reason why we haven't been to the Moon is that it's very expensive to go, especially with contemporary safety standards. The Artemis program is projected to cost around $100 billion. There's nothing on the Moon that would provide a direct return on that investment.
krisoft 3y ago
> Not saying David Icke is right but I'm curious why its so dangerous to think the Moon can be hollow. Who says that it is dangerous?
parineum 3y ago
> It's nowhere as ridiculous as Flat Earth. That's a pretty low bar. For starters what's the outside made out of if it's hollow that explains why, gravitationally, it appears not to be hollow. All known aspects of the moon are better explained by it not being hollow. Even if it turns out to be hollow, it's currently ridiculous to believe that given the current body of knowledge.
gravescale 3y ago
I am genuinely curious what kind of mental model of the physical universe leads someone to look at a 3000km-diameter sphere of rock, or any matter at all, and say "yeah, I think that's actually hollow". Especially as the presence of the moon is one of the oldest, most observed and recorded natural phenomena in human history. It's not like it turned up one day or has ever been seen to do anything other than plod around its orbit dead on time. How would it form? Why doesn't it collapse inwards? Why does it weigh so much? I mean, sure, it could be an ancient alien ship with a superdense unobtainium shell to have exactly the same gravity as a rock ball but why would they park it so close that they need to cover it in regolith? Then again some people think a virus is somehow caused by radio waves and active remote-controlled microchips can be suspended in clear liquid so the whole world must be like wandering through Wonderland all the time. There are no rules and anything can happen.
- nieve 3y ago
  David Weber actually wrote a series once where aliens (actually humans) hollowed out the Moon (dumping the material into the sun) to use the rest as camouflage for a Moon-sized spaceship hiding from other aliens (actually aliens). It was pretty clearly him taking the p*ss on the entire topic, but it's seen multiple editions and I believe is still in print. I guess there's something about the idea that attracts some people?

by spxneo 3y ago

spdustin 3y ago

It can happen with hollow spheres. Seismic waves, however, do not travel through hollow spheres in the same way, and we have a number of seismometers on the Moon that have measured the impacts of recent spacecraft. As well, we've used satellites to measure the gravity variations of the moon to help identify variations in its (solid) structure.

spxneo 3y ago
and who owns the satellites ?
- pavlov 3y ago
  So all the governments of the world are in on the plot to hide the true nature of the Moon. They go as far as faking gravity research data from satellites. (Seems like it might be a bit easier to just not fund this research in the first place, but whatever.) What’s inside the hollow Moon that requires this kind of coordinated long-term secrecy by governments that mostly don’t agree about anything? Russia, America, China, India, Japan, Europe — they all do moon research, so they must all be part of this.
  - spxneo 3y ago
    so when was the last time humans were on the moon able to confirm this? and why haven't we gone back?
    - pavlov 3y ago
      I'm confused. If all the data from probes and satellites is an elaborate fake, what difference does it make to send a few astronauts? They can't report the real data either. The reason why we haven't been to the Moon is that it's very expensive to go, especially with contemporary safety standards. The Artemis program is projected to cost around $100 billion. There's nothing on the Moon that would provide a direct return on that investment.

krisoft 3y ago

> Not saying David Icke is right but I'm curious why its so dangerous to think the Moon can be hollow. Who says that it is dangerous?

parineum 3y ago

> It's nowhere as ridiculous as Flat Earth. That's a pretty low bar. For starters what's the outside made out of if it's hollow that explains why, gravitationally, it appears not to be hollow. All known aspects of the moon are better explained by it not being hollow. Even if it turns out to be hollow, it's currently ridiculous to believe that given the current body of knowledge.

gravescale 3y ago

I am genuinely curious what kind of mental model of the physical universe leads someone to look at a 3000km-diameter sphere of rock, or any matter at all, and say "yeah, I think that's actually hollow". Especially as the presence of the moon is one of the oldest, most observed and recorded natural phenomena in human history. It's not like it turned up one day or has ever been seen to do anything other than plod around its orbit dead on time. How would it form? Why doesn't it collapse inwards? Why does it weigh so much? I mean, sure, it could be an ancient alien ship with a superdense unobtainium shell to have exactly the same gravity as a rock ball but why would they park it so close that they need to cover it in regolith? Then again some people think a virus is somehow caused by radio waves and active remote-controlled microchips can be suspended in clear liquid so the whole world must be like wandering through Wonderland all the time. There are no rules and anything can happen.

nieve 3y ago
David Weber actually wrote a series once where aliens (actually humans) hollowed out the Moon (dumping the material into the sun) to use the rest as camouflage for a Moon-sized spaceship hiding from other aliens (actually aliens). It was pretty clearly him taking the p*ss on the entire topic, but it's seen multiple editions and I believe is still in print. I guess there's something about the idea that attracts some people?