> I said explicitly anonymity is a downstream byproduct of privacy. Yes I agree that this is your assertion, and what I'm saying that that I fundamentally bel

> I said explicitly anonymity is a downstream byproduct of privacy. Yes I agree that this is your assertion, and what I'm saying that that I fundamentally believe that this is wrong. Who knows, I may be wrong - but I listed a number of instances IRL where people have privacy without anonymity. The fact that people only think of privacy as downstream consequence of anonymity is the false conclusion. And to fix the internet we need to all realize that it's false. It's what we're used to, and is the only way privacy has been provided in the digital world (which is why so many including me have thought that way), but it is wrong. We first need to realize and acknowledge that it is wrong and then pursue a path the matches - just like we do in the real world.