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Those are tests of automatic emergency braking (AEB) where advanced driver assist systems (ADAS) such as Tesla FSD are explicitly not enabled. In actual ADAS t

by Veserv 3y ago

Those are tests of automatic emergency braking (AEB) where advanced driver assist systems (ADAS) such as Tesla FSD are explicitly not enabled. In actual ADAS tests, such as the recent IIHS Partial Automation Safeguard Ratings [1] Tesla FSD scores the lowest (6 Poor, 2 Acceptable) and Tesla Autopilot scores the second lowest (6 Poor, 1 Acceptable, 1 Good) out of 14 evaluated systems with the third lowest being the Genesis Highway Driving Assist 2 (6 Poor, 1 Marginal, 2 Good) and the highest being Lexus Teammate (1 Marginal, 3 Acceptable, 4 Good) with the average (to the extent that means anything) being around (3 Poor, 1 Marginal, 1 Acceptable, 3 Good). Or if we wish to look at the Euro NCAP Assisted Driving Gradings [2] Tesla scored 36/100 in assistance competence, the lowest score by far out of 26 evaluated systems. The second lowest is 52/100 and the average over all models excluding Tesla being ~67/100. [1] https://www.iihs.org/ratings/partial-automation-safeguards https://www.iihs.org/ratings/partial-automation-safeguards [2] https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/assisted-driving-gradings/ https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/assisted-driving...

aeternum 3y ago
Directly from your Euro NCAP link on the assisted driving test: >The Model 3 responds to avoid a collision in all the ACC test scenarios and requires AEB interventions only in the most critical cut-in and cut-out tests. The driver is supported through the S-Bend, staying centred in the lane at all test speeds. The vehicle has an Active Blindspot system designed to prevent lane changing into adjacent vehicles. A lane-change assist function is also provided. In case of an unresponsive driver, the Tesla performs a controlled stop in lane. If the radar or camera are blocked the Model 3 provides a timely warning and prevents system activation. >The Tesla Model 3 excels in the level of Vehicle Assistance but fails to balance that high level of support with a similar level of Driver Engagement leading to possible overreliance. Euro NCAP tested the latest version of AutoPilot available at the time of testing. Tesla can improve the functionality of the system remotely by over-the-air software updates. The autopilot system itself got very high points, the 36% is from driver engagement features. Driver Engagement / 36%. Pretty disingenuous to use this driver engagement score which is measuring things like the driver monitoring system and not the autopilot performance.
- Veserv 3y ago
  No, 36% is the overall Assistance Competence score as ADAS systems demand driver engagement to be operated safely. In case you did not know, Tesla ADAS systems must only be used with a fully attentive driver and require you to "keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times [1]". Failure to ensure driver attention is how you kills tens to hundreds of people as Tesla admits is the cause for the numerous deaths while using their system. But you know what is really disingenuous? Pointing at IIHS tests that do not even have Autopilot or FSD enabled and using that to justify selling a system that will run down children in basic circumstances. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot
  - mgiannopoulos 3y ago
    Where are these “hundreds” of deaths then?

by Veserv 3y ago

aeternum 3y ago

Directly from your Euro NCAP link on the assisted driving test: >The Model 3 responds to avoid a collision in all the ACC test scenarios and requires AEB interventions only in the most critical cut-in and cut-out tests. The driver is supported through the S-Bend, staying centred in the lane at all test speeds. The vehicle has an Active Blindspot system designed to prevent lane changing into adjacent vehicles. A lane-change assist function is also provided. In case of an unresponsive driver, the Tesla performs a controlled stop in lane. If the radar or camera are blocked the Model 3 provides a timely warning and prevents system activation. >The Tesla Model 3 excels in the level of Vehicle Assistance but fails to balance that high level of support with a similar level of Driver Engagement leading to possible overreliance. Euro NCAP tested the latest version of AutoPilot available at the time of testing. Tesla can improve the functionality of the system remotely by over-the-air software updates. The autopilot system itself got very high points, the 36% is from driver engagement features. Driver Engagement / 36%. Pretty disingenuous to use this driver engagement score which is measuring things like the driver monitoring system and not the autopilot performance.

Veserv 3y ago
No, 36% is the overall Assistance Competence score as ADAS systems demand driver engagement to be operated safely. In case you did not know, Tesla ADAS systems must only be used with a fully attentive driver and require you to "keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times [1]". Failure to ensure driver attention is how you kills tens to hundreds of people as Tesla admits is the cause for the numerous deaths while using their system. But you know what is really disingenuous? Pointing at IIHS tests that do not even have Autopilot or FSD enabled and using that to justify selling a system that will run down children in basic circumstances. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot
- mgiannopoulos 3y ago
  Where are these “hundreds” of deaths then?