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IPv4 will be around forever. It'll just get more expensive.
by spurgu 3y ago
IPv4 will be around forever. It'll just get more expensive.
- kingforaday 3y agoStill lots of dark areas [1] and lots of unnecessary allocated space to original adopters. I wonder if the Governments will ever exercise an Eminent Domain on IPv4 one day? 1. https://www.caida.org/archive/id-consumption/census-map/ https://www.caida.org/archive/id-consumption/census-map/
- jsheard 3y agoA lot of those early adopters are self explanatory but how did Ford end up with an entire /8? Merck and Eli Lilly? Prudential?
- jdsully 3y agoThey asked for it and at that time you didn’t really need to justify it.
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- eqvinox 3y agoThere is no government control on IP address space. The only actual binding is to the 5 RIRs*, and if you want to see how eminent domain would fare there... Take a look at the current AfriNIC situation :( (* Legacy space doesn't even have that)
- kristopolous 3y agoAnd certainly on local networks. It's way more convenient to work with. The only thing I can see replacing it is if something I'll call "easyip" came around - something even more convenient than ipv4 for networks of under, say a few hundred devices
- dilyevsky 3y ago> It's way more convenient to work with. Only if you’re not the one who’s responsible for designing and managing cidr allocations
- kristopolous 3y agoWe're talking local here. Once you get to the gateway, you can go ipv6 but the iot camera, cups printer and smart plug is perfectly happy in the world of 192.168 Again, the only replacement I can foresee is for an address schema that either doesn't pretend to even attempt global space or has a UUID scheme where network addresses are immutable, globally unique and inviolable. This would potentially simplify an iot world if the addresses are known, globally unique and static.
- dilyevsky 3y ago> Again, the only replacement I can foresee is for an address schema that either doesn't pretend to even attempt global space or has a UUID scheme where network addresses are immutable, globally unique and inviolable. You mean like IPv6 ULA? =)
- kristopolous 3y agoI just read the Wikipedia on that. No. Currently when you get an iot device you usually connect to it through the smartphone, tell it your Wi-Fi hotspot, give it the password and have it go online. Instead there could be a flow of going to the routers interface, select "scan new qr code" and you add the device that way - more realistically this would be done through the "myspectrum" or equivalent app as the isp usually issues the modem/hotspot for the majority of consumers. A number of things would have to change to make that possible but it's a much easier setup flow and it likely requires less complex software on the device itself.
- dilyevsky 3y agoIt sounds like you're trying to re-implement IPv6 Neighbor Discovery using qr codes. I really don't see the point of this or how it relates to private networking. If you want really simple solution on device itself, just let it NDP for router info and drop any incoming SYN that's not already in the conntrack table or part of the ULA space. Boom - done.
- betaby 3y agoWe are past IPv4 peak prices though.
- throw0101c 3y ago> IPv4 will be around forever. It'll just get more expensive. Not necessarily: as IPv6 becomes more and more mainstream (Google is saying 50% traffic), the need for IPv4 will become less, and so it may be relegated to 'legacy' status and a secondary consideration.
- labcomputer 3y agoYes, and thus the people who need an IPv4 address really need an IPv4 address, and you can charge them for it. And they will pay whatever you ask.