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Without any curtailing of their usage, aren't we just shifting costs to taxpayers?

Lammy 3y ago
> taxpayers Relevant: “How to Make Tap Water” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvIky3B661s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvIky3B661s
thomasahle 3y ago
How much are people currently spending on bottled water, that they could save if the tap water was safer?
- nox101 3y ago
  Is tap water unsafe?
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Hi. Welcome to the conversation. The title of the article being discussed is "EPA Says 'Forever Chemicals' Must Be Removed from Tap Water (nytimes.com)"
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  - spacephysics 3y ago
    I’d get an RO under sink filter that remineralizes the water and call it a day Even if the water treatment plant does everything right, the pipes from there to your house typically have contaminates as well
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- kibwen 3y ago
  This seems to frame it as though bottled water isn't ultimately just tap water.
- kccqzy 3y ago
  The EPA is imposing a limit on PFAS in tap water. How do you infer that bottled water companies will start voluntarily to limit PFAS in their bottled water without government action?
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    Depending on the study you care to believe, bottled water is 1/4 to 2/3rds of the time originally sourced from tap water.
ip26 3y ago
Pushing the cost upstream (e.g. as opposed to everyone installing water filters at home) does help with attribution and accountability. My local water authority has significantly more power than I do.
calgarymicro 3y ago
The EPA did try to curtail their usage but was blocked by the 5th Circuit[0]. They will hopefully either appeal or try to issue another rule using a different authority. [0]https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-appeals-court-curtails-epas-ability-regulate-pfas-under-toxic-substances-law-2024-03-22/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-appeals-court-cu...
- nerdponx 3y ago
  > A unanimous three-judge panel of the New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Thursday agreed with Inhance Technologies that the EPA overstepped its authority by issuing the orders, since they were rooted in a section of the federal toxic chemical law reserved for regulating "new" chemicals. That's pretty ridiculous. It would be nice if Congress did the obvious "right thing to do" and amended the law that defines the EPA's power, but we all know that they won't do anything of the kind, and it will be left to a higher court to reinterpret existing law and reverse the decision.
fransje26 3y ago
> Without any curtailing of their usage, aren't we just shifting costs to taxpayers? Yes, that is exactly what they are doing. Going for "insignificant" settlements, and shift the real costs to the taxpayers.

> taxpayers Relevant: “How to Make Tap Water” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvIky3B661s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvIky3B661s

thomasahle 3y ago

How much are people currently spending on bottled water, that they could save if the tap water was safer?

nox101 3y ago
Is tap water unsafe?
- dylan604 3y ago
  Hi. Welcome to the conversation. The title of the article being discussed is "EPA Says 'Forever Chemicals' Must Be Removed from Tap Water (nytimes.com)"
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- spacephysics 3y ago
  I’d get an RO under sink filter that remineralizes the water and call it a day Even if the water treatment plant does everything right, the pipes from there to your house typically have contaminates as well
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kibwen 3y ago
This seems to frame it as though bottled water isn't ultimately just tap water.
kccqzy 3y ago
The EPA is imposing a limit on PFAS in tap water. How do you infer that bottled water companies will start voluntarily to limit PFAS in their bottled water without government action?
- sokoloff 3y ago
  Depending on the study you care to believe, bottled water is 1/4 to 2/3rds of the time originally sourced from tap water.

ip26 3y ago

Pushing the cost upstream (e.g. as opposed to everyone installing water filters at home) does help with attribution and accountability. My local water authority has significantly more power than I do.

calgarymicro 3y ago

The EPA did try to curtail their usage but was blocked by the 5th Circuit[0]. They will hopefully either appeal or try to issue another rule using a different authority. [0]https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-appeals-court-curtails-epas-ability-regulate-pfas-under-toxic-substances-law-2024-03-22/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-appeals-court-cu...

nerdponx 3y ago
> A unanimous three-judge panel of the New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Thursday agreed with Inhance Technologies that the EPA overstepped its authority by issuing the orders, since they were rooted in a section of the federal toxic chemical law reserved for regulating "new" chemicals. That's pretty ridiculous. It would be nice if Congress did the obvious "right thing to do" and amended the law that defines the EPA's power, but we all know that they won't do anything of the kind, and it will be left to a higher court to reinterpret existing law and reverse the decision.

fransje26 3y ago

> Without any curtailing of their usage, aren't we just shifting costs to taxpayers? Yes, that is exactly what they are doing. Going for "insignificant" settlements, and shift the real costs to the taxpayers.