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but isn't lezginka normally too fast? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39962833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39962833 (also, the former rebel leade

but isn't lezginka normally too fast? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39962833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39962833 (also, the former rebel leader had CIA ties, so presumably Kadyrov is in the Venn intersection of people who explicitly know what offers are on hand from both Vostok and West. He also provides a convenient "border march" polity between mainstream-RF and IRI)

alephnerd 3y ago
From the original speech: "По поручению Главы ЧР, Героя России Рамзана Ахматовича Кадырова в Министерстве культуры ЧР проводится огромная работа по вопросу соответствия чеченских музыкальных, вокальных, хореографических произведений чеченскому менталитету и музыкальному ритму, исполняемых произведений." > the former rebel leader had CIA ties That was an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that I only ever saw on Reddit (which I think your knowledge of Chechnya stems from as well). I'd recommend reading Amjad Jaimoukha's "The Chechens: A Handbook" [0]. It's the only book I've ever read written by a Vainakh about Vainakh culture and internal politics. Plus the "Kadyrov Mosh" you mention is Sufi Zikr (trance-like prayer) - specifically Naqshabandi influenced Sufism. It's a common practice among all Sufi influenced Muslims from Chechnya to Turkey to South Asia to Central Asia. > a convenient "border march" polity between mainstream-RF and IRI I don't think you've ever looked at a map. Take a look at where Chechnya is located and it's borders. [0] - https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203356432/chechens-amjad-jaimoukha https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/97802033564...
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  OK, I stand corrected ... but lezginka or zikr, what about the tempos? both seem "too fast". (and do you have any opinions on what opinions Kadyrov might hold on Nasruddin?)
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Zikr is a style of prayer. Not music. For most lezginka they're 100% ignore it. Basically it's an excuse to crack down on non-Chechen language music and culture.
    - 082349872349872 3y ago
      Re: map, yeah, I completely spaced on Azerbaijan (I'd been basing the IRI proximity based on flags seen in Kadyrov's VK feed; oops!). But last I saw the Жара festival is pretty much an ЕдРо-fest; in general should I be counting the Azerbaijani in the RF camp or not? > crack down on non-Chechen language music and culture. Well, that's no way to encourage Baskov to get married there!)
      - alephnerd 3y ago
        > should I be counting the Azerbaijani in the RF camp or not Azerbaijan is basically in the Western camp. Türkiye is the primary defense guarunteer for Azerbaijan and Israel is supporting Azerbaijan [0] as Iran has been supporting Armenia [1], and Israel has a listening post in Azerbaijan [2] The only reason Russia hasn't intervened to support Armenia is in retaliation for Pashinyan overthrowing Russia aligned Sargsyan [3] in 2018. The failure to defend Nagorno-Karabakh has cauased violent instability in Armenia [4], which 100% will guarantee Sargsyan returning to power in the next 2 years. [0] - https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh-weapons-israel-6814437bcd744acc1c4df0409a74406c https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karaba... [1] - https://www.azatutyun.am/a/32853973.html https://www.azatutyun.am/a/32853973.html [2] - https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/03/28/israels-secret-staging-ground/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/03/28/israels-secret-staging-... [3] - https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1I92QG/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1I92QG/ [4] - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/several-hundred-protesters-gather-armenian-capital-after-karabakh-surrender-2023-09-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/several-hundred-p...
        082349872349872 3y ago
        thx! Radio Yerevan was asked: "Is it true that the Caucasus region is standing on the edge of an abyss?" Radio Yerevan answered: "No. It used to be true, but now we have taken a big step forward."

alephnerd 3y ago

From the original speech: "По поручению Главы ЧР, Героя России Рамзана Ахматовича Кадырова в Министерстве культуры ЧР проводится огромная работа по вопросу соответствия чеченских музыкальных, вокальных, хореографических произведений чеченскому менталитету и музыкальному ритму, исполняемых произведений." > the former rebel leader had CIA ties That was an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that I only ever saw on Reddit (which I think your knowledge of Chechnya stems from as well). I'd recommend reading Amjad Jaimoukha's "The Chechens: A Handbook" [0]. It's the only book I've ever read written by a Vainakh about Vainakh culture and internal politics. Plus the "Kadyrov Mosh" you mention is Sufi Zikr (trance-like prayer) - specifically Naqshabandi influenced Sufism. It's a common practice among all Sufi influenced Muslims from Chechnya to Turkey to South Asia to Central Asia. > a convenient "border march" polity between mainstream-RF and IRI I don't think you've ever looked at a map. Take a look at where Chechnya is located and it's borders. [0] - https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203356432/chechens-amjad-jaimoukha https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/97802033564...

082349872349872 3y ago
OK, I stand corrected ... but lezginka or zikr, what about the tempos? both seem "too fast". (and do you have any opinions on what opinions Kadyrov might hold on Nasruddin?)
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Zikr is a style of prayer. Not music. For most lezginka they're 100% ignore it. Basically it's an excuse to crack down on non-Chechen language music and culture.
  - 082349872349872 3y ago
    Re: map, yeah, I completely spaced on Azerbaijan (I'd been basing the IRI proximity based on flags seen in Kadyrov's VK feed; oops!). But last I saw the Жара festival is pretty much an ЕдРо-fest; in general should I be counting the Azerbaijani in the RF camp or not? > crack down on non-Chechen language music and culture. Well, that's no way to encourage Baskov to get married there!)
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      > should I be counting the Azerbaijani in the RF camp or not Azerbaijan is basically in the Western camp. Türkiye is the primary defense guarunteer for Azerbaijan and Israel is supporting Azerbaijan [0] as Iran has been supporting Armenia [1], and Israel has a listening post in Azerbaijan [2] The only reason Russia hasn't intervened to support Armenia is in retaliation for Pashinyan overthrowing Russia aligned Sargsyan [3] in 2018. The failure to defend Nagorno-Karabakh has cauased violent instability in Armenia [4], which 100% will guarantee Sargsyan returning to power in the next 2 years. [0] - https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karabakh-weapons-israel-6814437bcd744acc1c4df0409a74406c https://apnews.com/article/armenia-azerbaijan-nagorno-karaba... [1] - https://www.azatutyun.am/a/32853973.html https://www.azatutyun.am/a/32853973.html [2] - https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/03/28/israels-secret-staging-ground/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/03/28/israels-secret-staging-... [3] - https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1I92QG/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1I92QG/ [4] - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/several-hundred-protesters-gather-armenian-capital-after-karabakh-surrender-2023-09-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/several-hundred-p...
      - 082349872349872 3y ago
        thx! Radio Yerevan was asked: "Is it true that the Caucasus region is standing on the edge of an abyss?" Radio Yerevan answered: "No. It used to be true, but now we have taken a big step forward."