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So, just so we are clear, your stance is the following: You can't believe anything Elon says because he is a liar and lies "all the time", but you can can also

So, just so we are clear, your stance is the following: You can't believe anything Elon says because he is a liar and lies "all the time", but you can can also accuse of being a Russian asset based on no evidence ? He didn't say surrender, he said negotiate a peace deal (in Istanbul), and as controversial that was a year ago, it's clear as day today that it is correct. https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/ https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-lin... Apparently the US media convinced people like you that Ukraine could actually win the war, when common sense and basic math should have shown you there was never a chance. How many innocent Ukraine were sent to the death as cannon fodder, we will never know. Musk stance was right about Ukraine, we certainly know that now.

tombert 3y ago
I didn't "accuse" him, I said it was worth the DHS investigating. I think you understand that and are pretending not to. I feel like if I actively tried to hinder a war effort from either side, it would probably be a good idea for the DHS to investigate me. I really don't think that would be controversial either. It's not an "accusation" to investigate someone for doing something weird. >based on no evidence An investigation is a process in which evidence is gathered. > You can't believe anything Elon says because he is a liar and lies "all the time The liar part doesn't really need me to document it, you can look at nearly any keynote he's given and see a million cases where he just makes shit up. The easiest example is him talking about when self-driving cars are going to be here, or when he says "this is something we can do now". ETA: It's kind of uncool to add multiple paragraphs of extra text without disclosing it. > Apparently the US media convinced people like you that Ukraine could actually win the war, What in the fuck are you actually talking about? It's not about "winning" or "losing", where did I say that it was about Ukraine "winning" anything? I said it was very concerning that a civilian decided to intervene in a war effort. This isn't hard, and what you're saying is verging on dishonesty, I think because you're having trouble trying to figure out justification for Elon's actions.
- misiti3780 3y ago
  Tom, some advice --- you're a partisan conspiracy theorist and dont know it. I recommend you quit following the news -- your brain is incapable of "not" connecting dots that don't exist. Just relax and enjoy life. You're probably intelligent and have a good job in tech. Be grateful. Stay away from religion -- all of them -- you will be sucked in and indoctrinated. Don't place so much faith in the US government -- it's a corrupt institution.
  - tombert 3y ago
    I don’t really know that I like the familiar tone of addressing me by my first name, but it’s not a secret so fair enough I guess. I am not religious, and I don’t typically watch the news. I do not know how I am a “partisan conspiracy theorist” because I think civilians intervening in foreign conflicts should be investigated. I “enjoy life” just fine, I am just a crazy crazy person who thinks that a single unelected person should not be attempting to unilaterally make decisions involved in regards to war. You can say something like “Tom, that’s what the US government does!” and then give me a list of articles where the US gov intervened where they shouldn’t have, but it’s not apples to apples. There’s at least an attempt at accountability for elected government officials. It’s not perfect, and I am not trying to defend awful stuff like MK Ultra, but it’s still better than being at the whim of some whiny billionaire.

tombert 3y ago

I didn't "accuse" him, I said it was worth the DHS investigating. I think you understand that and are pretending not to. I feel like if I actively tried to hinder a war effort from either side, it would probably be a good idea for the DHS to investigate me. I really don't think that would be controversial either. It's not an "accusation" to investigate someone for doing something weird. >based on no evidence An investigation is a process in which evidence is gathered. > You can't believe anything Elon says because he is a liar and lies "all the time The liar part doesn't really need me to document it, you can look at nearly any keynote he's given and see a million cases where he just makes shit up. The easiest example is him talking about when self-driving cars are going to be here, or when he says "this is something we can do now". ETA: It's kind of uncool to add multiple paragraphs of extra text without disclosing it. > Apparently the US media convinced people like you that Ukraine could actually win the war, What in the fuck are you actually talking about? It's not about "winning" or "losing", where did I say that it was about Ukraine "winning" anything? I said it was very concerning that a civilian decided to intervene in a war effort. This isn't hard, and what you're saying is verging on dishonesty, I think because you're having trouble trying to figure out justification for Elon's actions.

misiti3780 3y ago
Tom, some advice --- you're a partisan conspiracy theorist and dont know it. I recommend you quit following the news -- your brain is incapable of "not" connecting dots that don't exist. Just relax and enjoy life. You're probably intelligent and have a good job in tech. Be grateful. Stay away from religion -- all of them -- you will be sucked in and indoctrinated. Don't place so much faith in the US government -- it's a corrupt institution.
- tombert 3y ago
  I don’t really know that I like the familiar tone of addressing me by my first name, but it’s not a secret so fair enough I guess. I am not religious, and I don’t typically watch the news. I do not know how I am a “partisan conspiracy theorist” because I think civilians intervening in foreign conflicts should be investigated. I “enjoy life” just fine, I am just a crazy crazy person who thinks that a single unelected person should not be attempting to unilaterally make decisions involved in regards to war. You can say something like “Tom, that’s what the US government does!” and then give me a list of articles where the US gov intervened where they shouldn’t have, but it’s not apples to apples. There’s at least an attempt at accountability for elected government officials. It’s not perfect, and I am not trying to defend awful stuff like MK Ultra, but it’s still better than being at the whim of some whiny billionaire.