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> The 'Redditization' of the world means that sharing thoughts is met with hostility I think the actual biggest problem with "Redditization" is not hostility,

> The 'Redditization' of the world means that sharing thoughts is met with hostility I think the actual biggest problem with "Redditization" is not hostility, but instead the fact that there is really no dialogue. There's no back and forth discussion, at least not with the same actual individual. You post a comment and (maybe but usually not) get a reply, then if you reply to that reply, the next reply in thread will be from someone else. Very very rarely do you go back and forth with one person. And regardless, you'll never ever interact with that person again (except maybe if you're on a tiny sub). It's such a odd and distorted version of conversation. I'm not talking to any specific "you" -- I'm submitting thoughts to a "mass-you" and hoping with fingers crossed that the mass-you will reply or at least nod in approval with a single upvote.

gosub100 3y ago
Reddit is not hostile as long as you only parrot back ideas that the hive mind agrees on. And the reward system is mis-aligned. I'd call it a Twitterification, because the karma points are awarded to succinct, snarky/funny conversation-ending quips. Nobody has time or attention span to debate an issue, and even if you did you risk being shut out of the group for wrongthink.
- khazhoux 3y ago
  That's right, there's no debate, except on the rarest of occasions. It's actually an odd feeling whenever some discussion with divergent opinions ends amicably.
  - amatecha 3y ago
    In my experience, genuine "clashing of views" with amicable discussions happens pretty frequently on Mastodon. It's pretty astonishing to see sometimes, because it's so unusual for the past X years in online social spaces. Like, potentially-multi-day-threads of max-character-count messages discussing topics that people fundamentally disagree on but are trying to hash out each others' perspectives and "get somewhere" with it. Very interesting, and great to read. Sometimes it goes the other way and the people talk past each other, but that's pretty standard lol
    - bsder 3y ago
      Eternal September problem. Those on Mastondon are a self-selected group who have opted out of Xitter and Reddit. Any new social media platform is always better than the previous by self-selection. And then it gets popular and becomes just as bad as the previoius. Lather, rinse, repeat.
      - brewtide 3y ago
        Guess what happened to the entire notion of the internet? Sigh
      - int_19h 3y ago
        Many servers on Mastodon are also rather aggressive at blocking other "disagreeable" servers. Some even apply this by association, i.e. blocking any server that doesn't block those that they consider inappropriate.
- disqard 3y ago
  You and GP are both correct. I've observed how many posts are set up with the "hive mind does (or does not) agree on" outcomes. Here are concrete examples: * Does Anyone Else foo? * Pretty sure I'm gonna get downvoted for this, but foo. * Unpopular Opinion: foo. ...and many more such patterns.
- potsandpans 3y ago
  I would say the same thing is true for hackernews, and any other public square platform. For hn, it's even more interesting because the "wrongthink shutout" is packaged in intellectualism. But you see it more pronounced on the edges. Good examples are posts that discuss climate breakdown.
  - gosub100 3y ago
    I see a lot more civil and rational disagreement here. The liberal politics are more popular, but there's a healthy conservative voice too. I don't see anything wrong with using intellectual methods to be persuasive, I mean, what are the alternatives?
thuruv 3y ago
For me, this seems to be the best possible explanation on the effects of `Redditization`. Here you're actually losing the step-by-step conversation with the timestamp coded texts, replies are usually like just broadcasting their thought process (instead of an having an actual coherent reply format) or just spitting something so that the gratification of having something written there.

gosub100 3y ago

Reddit is not hostile as long as you only parrot back ideas that the hive mind agrees on. And the reward system is mis-aligned. I'd call it a Twitterification, because the karma points are awarded to succinct, snarky/funny conversation-ending quips. Nobody has time or attention span to debate an issue, and even if you did you risk being shut out of the group for wrongthink.

khazhoux 3y ago
That's right, there's no debate, except on the rarest of occasions. It's actually an odd feeling whenever some discussion with divergent opinions ends amicably.
- amatecha 3y ago
  In my experience, genuine "clashing of views" with amicable discussions happens pretty frequently on Mastodon. It's pretty astonishing to see sometimes, because it's so unusual for the past X years in online social spaces. Like, potentially-multi-day-threads of max-character-count messages discussing topics that people fundamentally disagree on but are trying to hash out each others' perspectives and "get somewhere" with it. Very interesting, and great to read. Sometimes it goes the other way and the people talk past each other, but that's pretty standard lol
  - bsder 3y ago
    Eternal September problem. Those on Mastondon are a self-selected group who have opted out of Xitter and Reddit. Any new social media platform is always better than the previous by self-selection. And then it gets popular and becomes just as bad as the previoius. Lather, rinse, repeat.
    - brewtide 3y ago
      Guess what happened to the entire notion of the internet? Sigh
    - int_19h 3y ago
      Many servers on Mastodon are also rather aggressive at blocking other "disagreeable" servers. Some even apply this by association, i.e. blocking any server that doesn't block those that they consider inappropriate.
disqard 3y ago
You and GP are both correct. I've observed how many posts are set up with the "hive mind does (or does not) agree on" outcomes. Here are concrete examples: * Does Anyone Else foo? * Pretty sure I'm gonna get downvoted for this, but foo. * Unpopular Opinion: foo. ...and many more such patterns.
potsandpans 3y ago
I would say the same thing is true for hackernews, and any other public square platform. For hn, it's even more interesting because the "wrongthink shutout" is packaged in intellectualism. But you see it more pronounced on the edges. Good examples are posts that discuss climate breakdown.
- gosub100 3y ago
  I see a lot more civil and rational disagreement here. The liberal politics are more popular, but there's a healthy conservative voice too. I don't see anything wrong with using intellectual methods to be persuasive, I mean, what are the alternatives?

thuruv 3y ago

For me, this seems to be the best possible explanation on the effects of `Redditization`. Here you're actually losing the step-by-step conversation with the timestamp coded texts, replies are usually like just broadcasting their thought process (instead of an having an actual coherent reply format) or just spitting something so that the gratification of having something written there.