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I find it super frustrating to see well funded tech companies boldly abuse open data resources and assume they can just get away with it. I guess that's the the

by dirkhh 3y ago

I find it super frustrating to see well funded tech companies boldly abuse open data resources and assume they can just get away with it. I guess that's the theme of 2024. But to make it clear: you are in violation of the license the data is provided under, and as one of the copyright holders I object to that.

zX41ZdbW 3y ago
Could you please clarify the details? I took extra care to provide all the needed attributions and credits and I believe it is complete and sufficient. If I missed something, please describe it at https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed/issues https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed/issues, and I will correct it.
- dirkhh 3y ago
  please read the license and its requirements. It is YOUR responsibility to comply with those requirements in order to be allowed to use the data. It is ridiculous that a well funded company asks a volunteer community to tell them how to comply with the license - after they have violated the license and used it for a marketing stunt.
  - bilekas 3y ago
    You might be frustrated and that's fine, personally I don't know what's missing either but you simply saying "YPU need to figure it out" isn't helpful at all.
    - dirkhh 3y ago
      Well, here's the language in the license that apparently is too hard for you to find: 4.3 Notice for using output (Contents). Creating and Using a Produced Work does not require the notice in Section 4.2. However, if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is available under this License. I can't read it for you, but I can summarize it for you. You are required to make sure that someone who uses the product (i.e., Clickhouse's marketing stunt thingy) becomes aware of the license and origin of the underlying data. And not by digging into some GitHub repo, but right there, on the page.
      - malwrar 3y ago
        Their banner on the bottom links to adsb.lol and adsbexchange.com, is your specific concern that they don’t have the odbl license called out? I personally didn’t have much trouble figuring out where the data for this project came from based on their banner alone, and thought it was honorable of them to publish their process for obtaining the data. I have no horse in this race, but am really confused by this aggressive reaction to what I perceive to be a good-faith use of this data. Is this the prelude to some scheme by which you plan to extract money from ClickHouse? The grievance in these replies is genuinely unclear to me.
      - ryandrake 3y ago
        I don't think anyone is questioning the correctness of what you are saying, just the aggressive tone and assumption of malice over mistake. Maybe take this as an opportunity to educate licensees rather than ridicule them.
singleshot_ 3y ago
Licenses get abused for one of two reasons, more or less: 1) the license is unenforceable; 2) no one enforces the license. In some cases, this is only one reason.

by dirkhh 3y ago

zX41ZdbW 3y ago

Could you please clarify the details? I took extra care to provide all the needed attributions and credits and I believe it is complete and sufficient. If I missed something, please describe it at https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed/issues https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed/issues, and I will correct it.

dirkhh 3y ago
please read the license and its requirements. It is YOUR responsibility to comply with those requirements in order to be allowed to use the data. It is ridiculous that a well funded company asks a volunteer community to tell them how to comply with the license - after they have violated the license and used it for a marketing stunt.
- bilekas 3y ago
  You might be frustrated and that's fine, personally I don't know what's missing either but you simply saying "YPU need to figure it out" isn't helpful at all.
  - dirkhh 3y ago
    Well, here's the language in the license that apparently is too hard for you to find: 4.3 Notice for using output (Contents). Creating and Using a Produced Work does not require the notice in Section 4.2. However, if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is available under this License. I can't read it for you, but I can summarize it for you. You are required to make sure that someone who uses the product (i.e., Clickhouse's marketing stunt thingy) becomes aware of the license and origin of the underlying data. And not by digging into some GitHub repo, but right there, on the page.
    - malwrar 3y ago
      Their banner on the bottom links to adsb.lol and adsbexchange.com, is your specific concern that they don’t have the odbl license called out? I personally didn’t have much trouble figuring out where the data for this project came from based on their banner alone, and thought it was honorable of them to publish their process for obtaining the data. I have no horse in this race, but am really confused by this aggressive reaction to what I perceive to be a good-faith use of this data. Is this the prelude to some scheme by which you plan to extract money from ClickHouse? The grievance in these replies is genuinely unclear to me.
    - ryandrake 3y ago
      I don't think anyone is questioning the correctness of what you are saying, just the aggressive tone and assumption of malice over mistake. Maybe take this as an opportunity to educate licensees rather than ridicule them.

singleshot_ 3y ago

Licenses get abused for one of two reasons, more or less: 1) the license is unenforceable; 2) no one enforces the license. In some cases, this is only one reason.