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https://adsb.lol https://adsb.lol provides this data licensed under ODbL, this site violates the attribution and share alike clauses

zX41ZdbW 3y ago
You can find the attribution and the link to the details at the bottom right corner of the main page. It links to the documentation: https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed, which provides the full details. Additionally, you can read the license here: https://github.com/adsblol/globe_history_2023/blob/main/LICENSE-cc0.txt https://github.com/adsblol/globe_history_2023/blob/main/LICE...
- oq1ik6631rldh00 3y ago
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  - dirkhh 3y ago
    I find it super frustrating to see well funded tech companies boldly abuse open data resources and assume they can just get away with it. I guess that's the theme of 2024. But to make it clear: you are in violation of the license the data is provided under, and as one of the copyright holders I object to that.
    - zX41ZdbW 3y ago
      Could you please clarify the details? I took extra care to provide all the needed attributions and credits and I believe it is complete and sufficient. If I missed something, please describe it at https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed/issues https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed/issues, and I will correct it.
      - dirkhh 3y ago
        please read the license and its requirements. It is YOUR responsibility to comply with those requirements in order to be allowed to use the data. It is ridiculous that a well funded company asks a volunteer community to tell them how to comply with the license - after they have violated the license and used it for a marketing stunt.
        bilekas 3y ago
        You might be frustrated and that's fine, personally I don't know what's missing either but you simply saying "YPU need to figure it out" isn't helpful at all.
        dirkhh 3y ago
        Well, here's the language in the license that apparently is too hard for you to find: 4.3 Notice for using output (Contents). Creating and Using a Produced Work does not require the notice in Section 4.2. However, if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is available under this License. I can't read it for you, but I can summarize it for you. You are required to make sure that someone who uses the product (i.e., Clickhouse's marketing stunt thingy) becomes aware of the license and origin of the underlying data. And not by digging into some GitHub repo, but right there, on the page.
        malwrar 3y ago
        Their banner on the bottom links to adsb.lol and adsbexchange.com, is your specific concern that they don’t have the odbl license called out? I personally didn’t have much trouble figuring out where the data for this project came from based on their banner alone, and thought it was honorable of them to publish their process for obtaining the data. I have no horse in this race, but am really confused by this aggressive reaction to what I perceive to be a good-faith use of this data. Is this the prelude to some scheme by which you plan to extract money from ClickHouse? The grievance in these replies is genuinely unclear to me.
    - singleshot_ 3y ago
      Licenses get abused for one of two reasons, more or less: 1) the license is unenforceable; 2) no one enforces the license. In some cases, this is only one reason.
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rafram 3y ago
This is some copyleft troll-level pedantry [0]. They clearly made a good effort to comply with the license. Additionally, ADSB.lol requires contributors to license their contributions under CC0. Databases that don't have some sort of creative work involved in their compilation aren't copyrightable, so it's very dubious that anyone could enforce any sort of restrictive license over ADSB.lol's database as a whole when its individual contributions are CC0. [0]: https://pluralistic.net/2022/01/24/a-bug-in-early-creative-commons-licenses-has-enabled-a-new-breed-of-superpredator/ https://pluralistic.net/2022/01/24/a-bug-in-early-creative-c...
- dirkhh 3y ago
  Not at all. It is the polite request to please correctly attribute the data that a company is using for their marketing stunts. I love the fact that techbros being called out for violating other people's intellectual property immediately revert to "TROLL!" or "this is too hard!" instead of actually engaging with the question at hand. And btw - until you actually create the software stack to collect the data and run an aggregator, don't condescend on people who do the hard work that you seem to feel free to copy in violation of said license.
  - jjwiseman 3y ago
    No one said complying was too hard. This is one of the coolest things anyone's done with your data, they made a good faith effort to comply, and you've done nothing but act like a jerk and project your issues all over this thread. If I ran an ADS-B aggregator that was based on the same software as a half-dozen others, which hadn't seen any significant innovation in years, sitting on tons of data with absolutely amazing potential, I might consider praising the person who just revolutionized the world of ADS-B analysis & visualization, and possibly begging them to help me. And "P.S., could you throw in [specific attribution text]."

zX41ZdbW 3y ago

You can find the attribution and the link to the details at the bottom right corner of the main page. It links to the documentation: https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed, which provides the full details. Additionally, you can read the license here: https://github.com/adsblol/globe_history_2023/blob/main/LICENSE-cc0.txt https://github.com/adsblol/globe_history_2023/blob/main/LICE...

oq1ik6631rldh00 3y ago
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- dirkhh 3y ago
  I find it super frustrating to see well funded tech companies boldly abuse open data resources and assume they can just get away with it. I guess that's the theme of 2024. But to make it clear: you are in violation of the license the data is provided under, and as one of the copyright holders I object to that.
  - zX41ZdbW 3y ago
    Could you please clarify the details? I took extra care to provide all the needed attributions and credits and I believe it is complete and sufficient. If I missed something, please describe it at https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed/issues https://github.com/ClickHouse/adsb.exposed/issues, and I will correct it.
    - dirkhh 3y ago
      please read the license and its requirements. It is YOUR responsibility to comply with those requirements in order to be allowed to use the data. It is ridiculous that a well funded company asks a volunteer community to tell them how to comply with the license - after they have violated the license and used it for a marketing stunt.
      - bilekas 3y ago
        You might be frustrated and that's fine, personally I don't know what's missing either but you simply saying "YPU need to figure it out" isn't helpful at all.
        dirkhh 3y ago
        Well, here's the language in the license that apparently is too hard for you to find: 4.3 Notice for using output (Contents). Creating and Using a Produced Work does not require the notice in Section 4.2. However, if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative Database, or the Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is available under this License. I can't read it for you, but I can summarize it for you. You are required to make sure that someone who uses the product (i.e., Clickhouse's marketing stunt thingy) becomes aware of the license and origin of the underlying data. And not by digging into some GitHub repo, but right there, on the page.
        malwrar 3y ago
        Their banner on the bottom links to adsb.lol and adsbexchange.com, is your specific concern that they don’t have the odbl license called out? I personally didn’t have much trouble figuring out where the data for this project came from based on their banner alone, and thought it was honorable of them to publish their process for obtaining the data. I have no horse in this race, but am really confused by this aggressive reaction to what I perceive to be a good-faith use of this data. Is this the prelude to some scheme by which you plan to extract money from ClickHouse? The grievance in these replies is genuinely unclear to me.
  - singleshot_ 3y ago
    Licenses get abused for one of two reasons, more or less: 1) the license is unenforceable; 2) no one enforces the license. In some cases, this is only one reason.
- deleted 3y ago
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rafram 3y ago

This is some copyleft troll-level pedantry [0]. They clearly made a good effort to comply with the license. Additionally, ADSB.lol requires contributors to license their contributions under CC0. Databases that don't have some sort of creative work involved in their compilation aren't copyrightable, so it's very dubious that anyone could enforce any sort of restrictive license over ADSB.lol's database as a whole when its individual contributions are CC0. [0]: https://pluralistic.net/2022/01/24/a-bug-in-early-creative-commons-licenses-has-enabled-a-new-breed-of-superpredator/ https://pluralistic.net/2022/01/24/a-bug-in-early-creative-c...

dirkhh 3y ago
Not at all. It is the polite request to please correctly attribute the data that a company is using for their marketing stunts. I love the fact that techbros being called out for violating other people's intellectual property immediately revert to "TROLL!" or "this is too hard!" instead of actually engaging with the question at hand. And btw - until you actually create the software stack to collect the data and run an aggregator, don't condescend on people who do the hard work that you seem to feel free to copy in violation of said license.
- jjwiseman 3y ago
  No one said complying was too hard. This is one of the coolest things anyone's done with your data, they made a good faith effort to comply, and you've done nothing but act like a jerk and project your issues all over this thread. If I ran an ADS-B aggregator that was based on the same software as a half-dozen others, which hadn't seen any significant innovation in years, sitting on tons of data with absolutely amazing potential, I might consider praising the person who just revolutionized the world of ADS-B analysis & visualization, and possibly begging them to help me. And "P.S., could you throw in [specific attribution text]."