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The Brazilian electoral laws forbid spending in secret for the purpose of buying or making propaganda for electoral campaign and also regulate what is allowed i

The Brazilian electoral laws forbid spending in secret for the purpose of buying or making propaganda for electoral campaign and also regulate what is allowed in the elections. You cannot, for example, spend money in secret, with undeclared propaganda. Neither you can create videos with distorted information. All these are fair reasons to remove content. Of course, if you are too blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism, it can be difficult to notice distortions because you believe in false or distorted informations.

lobocinza 3y ago
> Of course, if you are too blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism, it can be difficult to notice distortions because you believe in false or distorted informations. Aren't you blinded by far left ideology? By marxism?
- thiagoharry 3y ago
  I am not the one echoing on foreign forums and sites a discourse created by extremist groups to prevent criminals in Brazil to be punished by law. Nor I am imagining a non existent "dictatorship" just because extremists are being persecuted by laws, laws that equally applies to any side of the political spectrum. This "brazilian dictatorship of Alexandre de Moraes" is something from the far right discourse and supported by a very narrow group of people and is not agreed outside this specific bubble.
  - lobocinza 3y ago
    Nowadays anyone that isn't far-left is called far-right and extremist, those words are meaningless. Only the supporters of Lula are supporting this narrative that the STF is only applying the law. I don't think they realize the danger of authoritarianism. Tides inevitably change. Where you also pro judicial activism when operation Car Wash arrested hundreds of corrupts and recovered billions of taxpayer money? Or are you only in favor of judicial activism when it's used to release your political idol from jail and to persecute his political adversaries?
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    I don't "echo discourses" anywhere buddy. I speak my mind. You just have no respect for the thoughts of others, do you? No respect for their freedom to think and say what they want, for their intellectual self-determination. Either they toe the party line or they're dangerous and should be persecuted. > laws that equally applies to any side of the political spectrum Prior to the election the censorship was more or less 9:1 in favor of Lula. Who also happened to be the favored candidate of the supreme court judges. Are you seriously claiming that they were treated equally? That this was a level playing field? > This "brazilian dictatorship of Alexandre de Moraes" is something from the far right discourse Looks like the rest of world isn't buying that nonsense. Whatever. Believe whatever you want. I won't call for your arrest over it. That's just barbaric.
    - thiagoharry 3y ago
      > Prior to the election the censorship was more or less 9:1 in favor of Lula. Who also happened to be the favored candidate of the supreme court judges. Oh, yeah, most of them, the same judges that voted for keeping Lula jailed, forbade them of being liberated for attending to his brother's funeral... They really are Lula supporters... But oh, one side of the election 20x more disinformation against ellections and committed much more irregularities, and they suffered 9x more penalties and condemnations... Really a very serious proof of biased judges...
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
        Uh yeah. When after the election you go to public events and brag about the fact that the court defeated Bolsonarism and that if Lula is in the presidency today it's due to the court's decisions, it becomes essentially impossible to claim that you are not biased. I remember one of them even bragged about how he's proud to be partidarian in complete defiance of common sense.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
... Huh? Back up a bit. So what you're telling me is all this stuff you're claiming is "fake news" is not actually false. Is that it? You admit that now? "Distorted"? Come on. It's either true or false. Evaluate the words and pick one. Bolsonaro's political campaign stated the simplest of facts literally point blank. I remember it, I was there. Straight up called the guy a socialist, a friend of dictators. Are you or are you NOT claiming those statements are FALSE? And don't give that "distorted" nonsense either. It's pretty clear cut. True or false? Answer it. Your entire "fake news" narrative rests on that answer. > You cannot, for example, spend money in secret, with undeclared propaganda So... So your problem with the statements is how they paid for the publicity? Not that they're supposedly false? > Neither you can create videos with distorted information. Contradicted by the brazilian constitution. "The manifestation of thought, creation, of expression and of information, in any form and by any process or vehicle, shall suffer no restriction". You gonna claim the literal law of Brazil is "distorted"? There are no "fake news" laws, by the way. After the elections they tried to get one passed but it was rejected by representatives elected by the brazilian people. So when you say "I can't" do this and that, I'm afraid you're gonna have to cite the law that prohibits it. Because I don't think I've ever seen that law. All I've seen is supreme court judges and their "resolutions". I suppose that's fine too... If you accept that this country is not actually a democracy. > All these are fair reasons to remove content. How about no. Government censorship is never justified. > blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism If anything there isn't enough "McCarthyism" to go around. Communism is one of the most genocidal and destructive politics ever invented. Why is it that they get to freely infiltrate my society? You'll oppose neo-nazis but not communists? Why is it that in Brazil neo-nazis go straight to jail but unabashed socialists get to walk the soil of my country completely unimpeded? Why is it that they get to become president, supreme court judges? What a total joke. If you're gonna criminalize nazism, then I demand that you also criminalize communism.

lobocinza 3y ago

> Of course, if you are too blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism, it can be difficult to notice distortions because you believe in false or distorted informations. Aren't you blinded by far left ideology? By marxism?

thiagoharry 3y ago
I am not the one echoing on foreign forums and sites a discourse created by extremist groups to prevent criminals in Brazil to be punished by law. Nor I am imagining a non existent "dictatorship" just because extremists are being persecuted by laws, laws that equally applies to any side of the political spectrum. This "brazilian dictatorship of Alexandre de Moraes" is something from the far right discourse and supported by a very narrow group of people and is not agreed outside this specific bubble.
- lobocinza 3y ago
  Nowadays anyone that isn't far-left is called far-right and extremist, those words are meaningless. Only the supporters of Lula are supporting this narrative that the STF is only applying the law. I don't think they realize the danger of authoritarianism. Tides inevitably change. Where you also pro judicial activism when operation Car Wash arrested hundreds of corrupts and recovered billions of taxpayer money? Or are you only in favor of judicial activism when it's used to release your political idol from jail and to persecute his political adversaries?
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  I don't "echo discourses" anywhere buddy. I speak my mind. You just have no respect for the thoughts of others, do you? No respect for their freedom to think and say what they want, for their intellectual self-determination. Either they toe the party line or they're dangerous and should be persecuted. > laws that equally applies to any side of the political spectrum Prior to the election the censorship was more or less 9:1 in favor of Lula. Who also happened to be the favored candidate of the supreme court judges. Are you seriously claiming that they were treated equally? That this was a level playing field? > This "brazilian dictatorship of Alexandre de Moraes" is something from the far right discourse Looks like the rest of world isn't buying that nonsense. Whatever. Believe whatever you want. I won't call for your arrest over it. That's just barbaric.
  - thiagoharry 3y ago
    > Prior to the election the censorship was more or less 9:1 in favor of Lula. Who also happened to be the favored candidate of the supreme court judges. Oh, yeah, most of them, the same judges that voted for keeping Lula jailed, forbade them of being liberated for attending to his brother's funeral... They really are Lula supporters... But oh, one side of the election 20x more disinformation against ellections and committed much more irregularities, and they suffered 9x more penalties and condemnations... Really a very serious proof of biased judges...
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      Uh yeah. When after the election you go to public events and brag about the fact that the court defeated Bolsonarism and that if Lula is in the presidency today it's due to the court's decisions, it becomes essentially impossible to claim that you are not biased. I remember one of them even bragged about how he's proud to be partidarian in complete defiance of common sense.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

... Huh? Back up a bit. So what you're telling me is all this stuff you're claiming is "fake news" is not actually false. Is that it? You admit that now? "Distorted"? Come on. It's either true or false. Evaluate the words and pick one. Bolsonaro's political campaign stated the simplest of facts literally point blank. I remember it, I was there. Straight up called the guy a socialist, a friend of dictators. Are you or are you NOT claiming those statements are FALSE? And don't give that "distorted" nonsense either. It's pretty clear cut. True or false? Answer it. Your entire "fake news" narrative rests on that answer. > You cannot, for example, spend money in secret, with undeclared propaganda So... So your problem with the statements is how they paid for the publicity? Not that they're supposedly false? > Neither you can create videos with distorted information. Contradicted by the brazilian constitution. "The manifestation of thought, creation, of expression and of information, in any form and by any process or vehicle, shall suffer no restriction". You gonna claim the literal law of Brazil is "distorted"? There are no "fake news" laws, by the way. After the elections they tried to get one passed but it was rejected by representatives elected by the brazilian people. So when you say "I can't" do this and that, I'm afraid you're gonna have to cite the law that prohibits it. Because I don't think I've ever seen that law. All I've seen is supreme court judges and their "resolutions". I suppose that's fine too... If you accept that this country is not actually a democracy. > All these are fair reasons to remove content. How about no. Government censorship is never justified. > blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism If anything there isn't enough "McCarthyism" to go around. Communism is one of the most genocidal and destructive politics ever invented. Why is it that they get to freely infiltrate my society? You'll oppose neo-nazis but not communists? Why is it that in Brazil neo-nazis go straight to jail but unabashed socialists get to walk the soil of my country completely unimpeded? Why is it that they get to become president, supreme court judges? What a total joke. If you're gonna criminalize nazism, then I demand that you also criminalize communism.