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In my non-fiction book, this was 1 chapter. Something which I showed was the huge difference between what you see from the USA, Germany/Poland and Canada. Can

In my non-fiction book, this was 1 chapter. Something which I showed was the huge difference between what you see from the USA, Germany/Poland and Canada. Canada doesnt have a real cyber army; but was caught pushing propaganda: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/psychological-warfare-influence-campaign-canadian-armed-forces-1.6079084 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/psychological-warfare-influ... Canada for the most part is ultra exposed to hostile foreign nation state propaganda. Whereas USA's cyber army is protecting against this. the problem with unfiltered internet is that bad actors across the world can simply post upon social media and cause problems. You need some sort of defense against this, but Canada is too broke to afford a legitimate cyber army unlike the rest of the world. One of the interesting things that happened when I was writing this book. I shocked a ton of people with a random prediction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Paul_Pelosi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Paul_Pelosi When this happened, I made the early prediction this guy was going to be Canadian. In fact, I could have predicted he would be from BC but I didn't. There was absolutely nothing early on to suggest this and people called me crazy. But this is exactly what's happening. Foreign nation states unopposed by cyber armies are convincing people online to do attacks like this.

pjc50 3y ago
> Canada for the most part is ultra exposed to hostile foreign nation state propaganda. Whereas USA's cyber army is protecting against this. Can you explain what this might consist of? On the face of it, the US is a pretty difficult place to simply remove posts, and has a massive domestic propaganda industry.
- incomingpain 3y ago
  > On the face of it, the US is a pretty difficult place to simply remove posts Elon Musk exposed that removing content was routine by a large list of US agencies as part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files Zuckerburg publicly confirmed that the same thing is occuring at facebook. Especially in context of the Biden laptop story for example. This seems to be true here on HN, which is rather surprising. I expected HN to be too small potatoes for the US government. The important legislation to look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_... >In both the House and Senate the bill was included in the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2017. So this is a department of defense effort; cyber command obviously. Which is quite interesting because in the twitter files, they never mention DoD at all. Most focus was on the FBI. Obviously a factor of national security you might consider? >and has a massive domestic propaganda industry. You have to be careful with this though. What's the attribution here? Snowden never revealed this right, surveillance is obviously true but not necessarily propaganda. There is perhaps the CIA mockingbird program which is still operating, but much smaller then during the cold war; so it's difficult to suggest this is massive. A big one though started under Obama isn't so public to be able to make those conclusions. We are simply seeing the consequences and collapse of the USA journalism because of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization... It's important to note, this is fully bipartisan supported. Seeing from a Canadian point of view where this isn't happening, it's a much worse situation. >You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks. Welp, got shadow banned on HN again for this post. I also see I'm censored and quite negative on the parent comment... i wonder who it was lol... none of my other posts have gone negative votes. I always find it funny when I get shadowbanned on HN and I'm obviously not posting too fast. guess I'll be taking another break from HN?
  - pjc50 3y ago
    Re: "massive domestic propaganda industry", this is mostly loosely affiliated groups trying to take control of the government by lying about things in the media rather than any kind of "deep state" per se. People like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones. One actual Russian spy in the NRA was caught: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44885633 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44885633
    - 6510 3y ago
      I design a good test for one to discover how brainwashed we really are. You take some clips of movie footage with lots of gore and carnage, ideally films we've seen. Then you mix it with some real world footage showing the exact same things. If the picture is the same, how can one be enjoyable and the other horrific? "It's not real" we tell ourselves as if it matters. You can think of plenty of visuals that wouldn't be acceptable. If you stitch someones head onto some porn it's not real either?
      - 082349872349872 3y ago
        In some countries, violence is censored but sexual content is not.
  - immibis 3y ago
    HN's "too fast" is approximately 5 comments per day. It's not Reddit.
mistermann 3y ago
> Canada for the most part is ultra exposed to hostile foreign nation state propaganda. I read /r/Canada regularly, and I have formed a strong belief that domestic government propaganda (or to be more epistemically cautious, misinformative messaging, intentional or not) is a much bigger problem. Do you believe I have formed a necessarily incorrect belief?
- mentalpiracy 3y ago
  several offshoot Canadian subreddits, like r/onguardforthee, were created several years ago when a number of users felt that the existing r/Canada subreddit discussion was being manipulated. I don’t recall the deeper substance of the disagreement anymore unfortunately.
- incomingpain 3y ago
  I am now shadow banned on HN because of this post; so we'll see if I get to ever reply to you. >I read /r/Canada regularly, This subreddit was subject to a number of studies in relation to echo chambers. The mods chose to ban all conservatives. At least this was true many years ago. It's possible they have since stopped doing this, but I don't know because I was perm banned. >I have formed a strong belief that domestic government propaganda (or to be more epistemically cautious, misinformative messaging, intentional or not) is a much bigger problem. My take was that the mods for r/canada are liberal party affiliated and curate content against the conservatives and to a lesser degree the ndp. So yes while the liberals are in power, it doesn't quite logically follow for me that this is equivalent to 'government propaganda' Now outside the context of r/canada. The CBC can be seen as domestic government propaganda. Obviously defunding the CBC is #1 most popular position the Conservatives hold. It's unclear to me why the CBC decided to give up on their political neutrality but in the end conservatives are never going to be able to fix this situation. Defunding is the only option. It's only a matter of time until this is the case now. >Do you believe I have formed a necessarily incorrect belief? Going back to my comment above that it's possible they stopped banning conservatives. It's also possible they got even worse. I really don't know. It's completely reasonable that you know more then me as I havent been on that subreddit in many years. I know way back in the day there were often sticky threads saying they'd stop censoring conservatives but then just get caught again and again doing it.

pjc50 3y ago

> Canada for the most part is ultra exposed to hostile foreign nation state propaganda. Whereas USA's cyber army is protecting against this. Can you explain what this might consist of? On the face of it, the US is a pretty difficult place to simply remove posts, and has a massive domestic propaganda industry.

incomingpain 3y ago
> On the face of it, the US is a pretty difficult place to simply remove posts Elon Musk exposed that removing content was routine by a large list of US agencies as part of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files Zuckerburg publicly confirmed that the same thing is occuring at facebook. Especially in context of the Biden laptop story for example. This seems to be true here on HN, which is rather surprising. I expected HN to be too small potatoes for the US government. The important legislation to look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_... >In both the House and Senate the bill was included in the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2017. So this is a department of defense effort; cyber command obviously. Which is quite interesting because in the twitter files, they never mention DoD at all. Most focus was on the FBI. Obviously a factor of national security you might consider? >and has a massive domestic propaganda industry. You have to be careful with this though. What's the attribution here? Snowden never revealed this right, surveillance is obviously true but not necessarily propaganda. There is perhaps the CIA mockingbird program which is still operating, but much smaller then during the cold war; so it's difficult to suggest this is massive. A big one though started under Obama isn't so public to be able to make those conclusions. We are simply seeing the consequences and collapse of the USA journalism because of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2013#Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Modernization_Act_of_2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization... It's important to note, this is fully bipartisan supported. Seeing from a Canadian point of view where this isn't happening, it's a much worse situation. >You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks. Welp, got shadow banned on HN again for this post. I also see I'm censored and quite negative on the parent comment... i wonder who it was lol... none of my other posts have gone negative votes. I always find it funny when I get shadowbanned on HN and I'm obviously not posting too fast. guess I'll be taking another break from HN?
- pjc50 3y ago
  Re: "massive domestic propaganda industry", this is mostly loosely affiliated groups trying to take control of the government by lying about things in the media rather than any kind of "deep state" per se. People like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones. One actual Russian spy in the NRA was caught: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44885633 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44885633
  - 6510 3y ago
    I design a good test for one to discover how brainwashed we really are. You take some clips of movie footage with lots of gore and carnage, ideally films we've seen. Then you mix it with some real world footage showing the exact same things. If the picture is the same, how can one be enjoyable and the other horrific? "It's not real" we tell ourselves as if it matters. You can think of plenty of visuals that wouldn't be acceptable. If you stitch someones head onto some porn it's not real either?
    - 082349872349872 3y ago
      In some countries, violence is censored but sexual content is not.
- immibis 3y ago
  HN's "too fast" is approximately 5 comments per day. It's not Reddit.

mistermann 3y ago

> Canada for the most part is ultra exposed to hostile foreign nation state propaganda. I read /r/Canada regularly, and I have formed a strong belief that domestic government propaganda (or to be more epistemically cautious, misinformative messaging, intentional or not) is a much bigger problem. Do you believe I have formed a necessarily incorrect belief?

mentalpiracy 3y ago
several offshoot Canadian subreddits, like r/onguardforthee, were created several years ago when a number of users felt that the existing r/Canada subreddit discussion was being manipulated. I don’t recall the deeper substance of the disagreement anymore unfortunately.
incomingpain 3y ago
I am now shadow banned on HN because of this post; so we'll see if I get to ever reply to you. >I read /r/Canada regularly, This subreddit was subject to a number of studies in relation to echo chambers. The mods chose to ban all conservatives. At least this was true many years ago. It's possible they have since stopped doing this, but I don't know because I was perm banned. >I have formed a strong belief that domestic government propaganda (or to be more epistemically cautious, misinformative messaging, intentional or not) is a much bigger problem. My take was that the mods for r/canada are liberal party affiliated and curate content against the conservatives and to a lesser degree the ndp. So yes while the liberals are in power, it doesn't quite logically follow for me that this is equivalent to 'government propaganda' Now outside the context of r/canada. The CBC can be seen as domestic government propaganda. Obviously defunding the CBC is #1 most popular position the Conservatives hold. It's unclear to me why the CBC decided to give up on their political neutrality but in the end conservatives are never going to be able to fix this situation. Defunding is the only option. It's only a matter of time until this is the case now. >Do you believe I have formed a necessarily incorrect belief? Going back to my comment above that it's possible they stopped banning conservatives. It's also possible they got even worse. I really don't know. It's completely reasonable that you know more then me as I havent been on that subreddit in many years. I know way back in the day there were often sticky threads saying they'd stop censoring conservatives but then just get caught again and again doing it.