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It might be too broad a brush to paint capitalism or democracy as the unique cause of the Bay Area problem of unaffordable housing, given that affordable housin

It might be too broad a brush to paint capitalism or democracy as the unique cause of the Bay Area problem of unaffordable housing, given that affordable housing exists in both capitalist and democratic regions in the US and around the world.

mistermann 3y ago
Whether "unique" is in the claim is not a trivial detail. One should always be wary of bugs in the interpreter, they are far less battle tested than compilers, operating systems, etc.
netsharc 3y ago
My point is, the -ism doesn't matter, corruption exists everywhere, so saying the corruption is the result of capitalism/democracy is bullshit. Indeed a "proper" democracy seems to be a lot more resilient against corruption, although I wonder if it's more to do with the society's cohesiveness, e.g. in Scandinavia. Then again the crazies like to call Scandinavia "a socialist hell hole", so maybe even socialism can be done right if you have the right society...
- rendall 3y ago
  I am an immigrant from the US to the socialist hellhole of Finland, and it's quite delightful here.
- mistermann 3y ago
  > My point is, the -ism doesn't matter, corruption exists everywhere, so saying the corruption is the result of capitalism/democracy is bullshit. It is almost guaranteed to be misleading, but it isn't incorrect. I'm very comfortable increasing the complexity, but few people are, and I've yet to meet someone who doesn't call foul very early in the process, even if you forewarn them.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    Interesting comment, we've gone meta. > It is almost guaranteed to be misleading, but it isn't incorrect. What is "it" here? > I'm very comfortable increasing the complexity Of what? I'm guessing the complexity of the conversation? > I've yet to meet someone who doesn't call foul very early in the process I'm wary of asking for "try me" and ending up doing this, and wary that this warning means whatever it is people called foul about is something you're getting wrong but insist you're right on, without ever reflecting about others' opinions/their foul call. How about that for meta... Ah you're the original "maybe we need to redefine a lot of words" commenter. Sigh, I think your mistake is believing what it says on the tin/the dictionary definition, on things like "we are ruled by democracy [or communism, pick your poison]"
    - mistermann 3y ago
      If you would like to see a demonstration of your (very reasonable) intuitions disproven, my email is in my profile. :)
      - netsharc 3y ago
        This is as enticing a proposal as "Let's get out of this pub and go to my van by the river". Smiley face.
        mistermann 3y ago
        How shocking.

mistermann 3y ago

Whether "unique" is in the claim is not a trivial detail. One should always be wary of bugs in the interpreter, they are far less battle tested than compilers, operating systems, etc.

netsharc 3y ago

My point is, the -ism doesn't matter, corruption exists everywhere, so saying the corruption is the result of capitalism/democracy is bullshit. Indeed a "proper" democracy seems to be a lot more resilient against corruption, although I wonder if it's more to do with the society's cohesiveness, e.g. in Scandinavia. Then again the crazies like to call Scandinavia "a socialist hell hole", so maybe even socialism can be done right if you have the right society...

rendall 3y ago
I am an immigrant from the US to the socialist hellhole of Finland, and it's quite delightful here.
mistermann 3y ago
> My point is, the -ism doesn't matter, corruption exists everywhere, so saying the corruption is the result of capitalism/democracy is bullshit. It is almost guaranteed to be misleading, but it isn't incorrect. I'm very comfortable increasing the complexity, but few people are, and I've yet to meet someone who doesn't call foul very early in the process, even if you forewarn them.
- netsharc 3y ago
  Interesting comment, we've gone meta. > It is almost guaranteed to be misleading, but it isn't incorrect. What is "it" here? > I'm very comfortable increasing the complexity Of what? I'm guessing the complexity of the conversation? > I've yet to meet someone who doesn't call foul very early in the process I'm wary of asking for "try me" and ending up doing this, and wary that this warning means whatever it is people called foul about is something you're getting wrong but insist you're right on, without ever reflecting about others' opinions/their foul call. How about that for meta... Ah you're the original "maybe we need to redefine a lot of words" commenter. Sigh, I think your mistake is believing what it says on the tin/the dictionary definition, on things like "we are ruled by democracy [or communism, pick your poison]"
  - mistermann 3y ago
    If you would like to see a demonstration of your (very reasonable) intuitions disproven, my email is in my profile. :)
    - netsharc 3y ago
      This is as enticing a proposal as "Let's get out of this pub and go to my van by the river". Smiley face.
      - mistermann 3y ago
        How shocking.