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Sorry, could you expand on NVR please?

Daneel_ 3y ago
Network Video Recorder - basically, the place where the video footage is stored. It's essentially a NAS, aka a big box of hard drives.
- walterbell 3y ago
  e.g. Frigate OSS with local AI using Google Coral TPU, https://frigate.video/ https://frigate.video/
dewey 3y ago
You record the data locally and not only stream it directly to the cloud.
- defrost 3y ago
  + decoy NVR. Is always smart - use unique bright yellow (say) CAT cable to route from cameras to local storage .. and on the last leg route the real camera data to a hidden NVR behind a good false panel and "continue on" with fake yellow CAT to a decoy NVR in plain view. It's a good feeling when robbers have visually followed the bright cables to the decoy storage and trashed the drives that don't have the idiots faces and other data stored in HiRes.
  - spacecadet 3y ago
    An old friend of mine installed many security systems, he was all about the deception too. He had these fake looking cameras, like you see for $10 with the fake clipped cable, except he hid real cameras in them. Worked on several occasions where we assume people scoped out the location and decided they were fakes.
    - addandsubtract 3y ago
      Security by obscurity surveillance
      - spacecadet 3y ago
        Haha not the same. This is a honeypot.
      - jazzyjackson 3y ago
        security made to look like obscurity security by bamboozlement
  - brk 3y ago
    That is a scenario that only happens in the movies. Even is really low quality installs, there isn't much exposed cable, and it's going to go into a wall/floor/ceiling fairly quickly. Robbers are not following network cables around like some kind of map line.
    - defrost 3y ago
      > Robbers are not following network cables around like some kind of map line. That's why matching cable from cameras [ ... disappears, reappears ... ] and into visible on office desk sacrifical anode NAS box works. They don't trace the cabling, they make assumptions based on matching colour. The 'trick' is to make sure the camera display screens cut out if the "fake" NAS goes down .. best to route to screen through sacrifical secondary storage. > That is a scenario that only happens in the movies. Here, in my part of the world, it's used by several contracters I'm aware of, in homes, shops, warehouses .. fake drives near camera display screens get destroyed in break ins more often than you realise - and more frequently in recent years. Even in the US the Afroman raids show the police about to rip drives out of the security system .. if there'd been a decoy box | real time cloud backup there'd be more footage of the raid for his songs and court case.
      - brk 3y ago
        I've been involved in video surveillance for the last 15ish years, in the US, UAE, Japan, UK, South Africa, South America, Caribbean, and elsewhere. What you're describing is exceedingly rare. Robbers are generally not spending much time on cameras and recorders unless the equipment is right out in the open, such as at a small store that puts the recorder near the cash register. Thieves are not following cables around, and installers are not adding time and expense to create these scavenger hunt decoy systems. If you feel that you have a legitimate threat that might lead to attackers trying to disable your video system you would more commonly install better equipment. Cameras that are more covert, or are ruggedized/vandal proof, and installed out of reach. Installations that leave no exposed cables, PC-based video recorders that don't have branding or indications of what they are doing, etc.
      - adql 3y ago
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throwiforgtnlzy 3y ago
Heck, even the cameras I bought my mom were PoE with in-situ SD cards for self-contained recording and NVR, with a cloud option. An armored car company holding zillions of dollars can't bother to secure itself with even 2009-level residential technology or wall/ceiling penetration sensors is an absolute case study in security theater.

Network Video Recorder - basically, the place where the video footage is stored. It's essentially a NAS, aka a big box of hard drives.

walterbell 3y ago
e.g. Frigate OSS with local AI using Google Coral TPU, https://frigate.video/ https://frigate.video/

dewey 3y ago

You record the data locally and not only stream it directly to the cloud.

defrost 3y ago
+ decoy NVR. Is always smart - use unique bright yellow (say) CAT cable to route from cameras to local storage .. and on the last leg route the real camera data to a hidden NVR behind a good false panel and "continue on" with fake yellow CAT to a decoy NVR in plain view. It's a good feeling when robbers have visually followed the bright cables to the decoy storage and trashed the drives that don't have the idiots faces and other data stored in HiRes.
- spacecadet 3y ago
  An old friend of mine installed many security systems, he was all about the deception too. He had these fake looking cameras, like you see for $10 with the fake clipped cable, except he hid real cameras in them. Worked on several occasions where we assume people scoped out the location and decided they were fakes.
  - addandsubtract 3y ago
    Security by obscurity surveillance
    - spacecadet 3y ago
      Haha not the same. This is a honeypot.
    - jazzyjackson 3y ago
      security made to look like obscurity security by bamboozlement
- brk 3y ago
  That is a scenario that only happens in the movies. Even is really low quality installs, there isn't much exposed cable, and it's going to go into a wall/floor/ceiling fairly quickly. Robbers are not following network cables around like some kind of map line.
  - defrost 3y ago
    > Robbers are not following network cables around like some kind of map line. That's why matching cable from cameras [ ... disappears, reappears ... ] and into visible on office desk sacrifical anode NAS box works. They don't trace the cabling, they make assumptions based on matching colour. The 'trick' is to make sure the camera display screens cut out if the "fake" NAS goes down .. best to route to screen through sacrifical secondary storage. > That is a scenario that only happens in the movies. Here, in my part of the world, it's used by several contracters I'm aware of, in homes, shops, warehouses .. fake drives near camera display screens get destroyed in break ins more often than you realise - and more frequently in recent years. Even in the US the Afroman raids show the police about to rip drives out of the security system .. if there'd been a decoy box | real time cloud backup there'd be more footage of the raid for his songs and court case.
    - brk 3y ago
      I've been involved in video surveillance for the last 15ish years, in the US, UAE, Japan, UK, South Africa, South America, Caribbean, and elsewhere. What you're describing is exceedingly rare. Robbers are generally not spending much time on cameras and recorders unless the equipment is right out in the open, such as at a small store that puts the recorder near the cash register. Thieves are not following cables around, and installers are not adding time and expense to create these scavenger hunt decoy systems. If you feel that you have a legitimate threat that might lead to attackers trying to disable your video system you would more commonly install better equipment. Cameras that are more covert, or are ruggedized/vandal proof, and installed out of reach. Installations that leave no exposed cables, PC-based video recorders that don't have branding or indications of what they are doing, etc.
    - adql 3y ago

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throwiforgtnlzy 3y ago

Heck, even the cameras I bought my mom were PoE with in-situ SD cards for self-contained recording and NVR, with a cloud option. An armored car company holding zillions of dollars can't bother to secure itself with even 2009-level residential technology or wall/ceiling penetration sensors is an absolute case study in security theater.