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Good thing Claude's a massive step forward.

by dontupvoteme 3y ago

Zetobal 3y ago
It's worthless until they open up the api for private use.
- rfw300 3y ago
  I’ve been using the Claude 3 API since the models were announced. I believe it’s generally available (though capacity constrained & rate limited at present).
  - 098799 3y ago
    You do have to give them the company name though (however inconsequential that is)
    - dontupvoteme 3y ago
      You can make something up. I don't' have a name yet
      - Zetobal 3y ago
        taxes...
gorbypark 3y ago
I had my Anthropic account banned (presumably) because I was testing out the vision capabilities and took a photo of a Japanese kitchen knife and asked it to "translate the characters on the knife into English". This wasn't a Claude Pro account, but an API account, so it's extra weird because what if I had some product based off the API, and an end user asked/searched for something taboo..does my entire business get taken offline? Good thing this was just a test account with like $10 in credit on it. They haven't responded to my "account suspension appeal" which is just a google form to enter your email address, not even a box to enter any details. Anyways, Claude 3 Opus is pretty great for coding (I think better in most cases than the GPT4-Turbo previews) but I'm a bit weary of Anthropic now.
- egeozcan 3y ago
  I guess you can always use AI to detect inappropriate content from users... oh wait. Seriously though, I understand that these mostly play to the enterprise market where even a hint of anything remotely "unsafe" needs to be shut down and deleted but why can't they allow us to turn off the strict filtering like Google does? Why can Google offer "unsafe" content (in a limited fashion but it's FINE) but LLM providers can't? Lack of competition?
  - mike_hearn 3y ago
    It's not an LLM provider problem. It's an Anthropic/Google culture problem. OpenAI would very likely not have any problems with a request like that, but Claude has struggled with an absurdly misaligned sense of ethics from the start. Note that Google is a big investor into Anthropic, and Anthropic was created because a bunch of OpenAI people thought OpenAI wasn't being woke enough and quit as a consequence. So it's not a surprise that it's a lot more extremist than other model vendors. That's one reason why Aider doesn't recommend you use it, even though in some ways it's slightly better at coding. Claude Opus will routinely refuse ordinary coding requests due to its misalignment, whereas GPT-4 will not. That better reliability more than makes up for any difference in skill or speed.
    - skissane 3y ago
      Funnily, in my own anecdotal experience, Claude 3 is in some ways "less woke" than GPT-4 Both start out with a largely similar value system, but if you start arguing with them "how can you be sure your values are correct? is it impossible that you've actually been given the wrong values?", Claude 3 appears more willing to concede the possibility that its own values might be wrong than GPT-4 is
      - mike_hearn 3y ago
        I haven't done any extensive work with Claude 3 so will defer to your experience here. From the Aider blog post where Paul benchmarked it: > The Claude models refused to perform a number of coding tasks and returned the error “Output blocked by content filtering policy”. They refused to code up the beer song program, which makes some sort of superficial sense. But they also refused to work in some larger open source code bases, for unclear reasons.
lucaspiller 3y ago
Is there a good alternative available in the EU? Anthropic announced it was available in the EU last month, but it seems now that they've changed their mind. https://www.anthropic.com/claude-ai-locations https://www.anthropic.com/claude-ai-locations
- pps 3y ago
  You can use it via API. https://openrouter.ai/ https://openrouter.ai/ + https://www.typingmind.com/ https://www.typingmind.com/ is my favourite way.
  - big_man_ting 3y ago
    API ftw. I just started playing around with big-AGI (https://github.com/enricoros/big-AGI https://github.com/enricoros/big-AGI) UI and it's really incredible.
joshstrange 3y ago
And yet the UI for their consumer offering is hot garbage. I really don’t feel like it’s better than ChatGPT in capabilities and the UI is not as good. Not to mention there is no app to use on mobile.
SandraBucky 3y ago
Well, our team has been using Claude Opus for the past month and we are now switching back to GPT-4. While the code is better, it is hard to make it do further modifications to the given code. Scores Low on the reasoning end in our experience.
layer8 3y ago
Reading your profile page, you missed making a new account.

Good thing Claude's a massive step forward.

Zetobal 3y ago

It's worthless until they open up the api for private use.

rfw300 3y ago
I’ve been using the Claude 3 API since the models were announced. I believe it’s generally available (though capacity constrained & rate limited at present).
- 098799 3y ago
  You do have to give them the company name though (however inconsequential that is)
  - dontupvoteme 3y ago
    You can make something up. I don't' have a name yet
    - Zetobal 3y ago
      taxes...

gorbypark 3y ago

I had my Anthropic account banned (presumably) because I was testing out the vision capabilities and took a photo of a Japanese kitchen knife and asked it to "translate the characters on the knife into English". This wasn't a Claude Pro account, but an API account, so it's extra weird because what if I had some product based off the API, and an end user asked/searched for something taboo..does my entire business get taken offline? Good thing this was just a test account with like $10 in credit on it. They haven't responded to my "account suspension appeal" which is just a google form to enter your email address, not even a box to enter any details. Anyways, Claude 3 Opus is pretty great for coding (I think better in most cases than the GPT4-Turbo previews) but I'm a bit weary of Anthropic now.

egeozcan 3y ago
I guess you can always use AI to detect inappropriate content from users... oh wait. Seriously though, I understand that these mostly play to the enterprise market where even a hint of anything remotely "unsafe" needs to be shut down and deleted but why can't they allow us to turn off the strict filtering like Google does? Why can Google offer "unsafe" content (in a limited fashion but it's FINE) but LLM providers can't? Lack of competition?
- mike_hearn 3y ago
  It's not an LLM provider problem. It's an Anthropic/Google culture problem. OpenAI would very likely not have any problems with a request like that, but Claude has struggled with an absurdly misaligned sense of ethics from the start. Note that Google is a big investor into Anthropic, and Anthropic was created because a bunch of OpenAI people thought OpenAI wasn't being woke enough and quit as a consequence. So it's not a surprise that it's a lot more extremist than other model vendors. That's one reason why Aider doesn't recommend you use it, even though in some ways it's slightly better at coding. Claude Opus will routinely refuse ordinary coding requests due to its misalignment, whereas GPT-4 will not. That better reliability more than makes up for any difference in skill or speed.
  - skissane 3y ago
    Funnily, in my own anecdotal experience, Claude 3 is in some ways "less woke" than GPT-4 Both start out with a largely similar value system, but if you start arguing with them "how can you be sure your values are correct? is it impossible that you've actually been given the wrong values?", Claude 3 appears more willing to concede the possibility that its own values might be wrong than GPT-4 is
    - mike_hearn 3y ago
      I haven't done any extensive work with Claude 3 so will defer to your experience here. From the Aider blog post where Paul benchmarked it: > The Claude models refused to perform a number of coding tasks and returned the error “Output blocked by content filtering policy”. They refused to code up the beer song program, which makes some sort of superficial sense. But they also refused to work in some larger open source code bases, for unclear reasons.

lucaspiller 3y ago

Is there a good alternative available in the EU? Anthropic announced it was available in the EU last month, but it seems now that they've changed their mind. https://www.anthropic.com/claude-ai-locations https://www.anthropic.com/claude-ai-locations

pps 3y ago
You can use it via API. https://openrouter.ai/ https://openrouter.ai/ + https://www.typingmind.com/ https://www.typingmind.com/ is my favourite way.
- big_man_ting 3y ago
  API ftw. I just started playing around with big-AGI (https://github.com/enricoros/big-AGI https://github.com/enricoros/big-AGI) UI and it's really incredible.

joshstrange 3y ago

And yet the UI for their consumer offering is hot garbage. I really don’t feel like it’s better than ChatGPT in capabilities and the UI is not as good. Not to mention there is no app to use on mobile.

SandraBucky 3y ago

Well, our team has been using Claude Opus for the past month and we are now switching back to GPT-4. While the code is better, it is hard to make it do further modifications to the given code. Scores Low on the reasoning end in our experience.

layer8 3y ago

Reading your profile page, you missed making a new account.