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US citizens have the right to free speech. US companies have a qualified right to free speech https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1/freedom-of-speech-for

US citizens have the right to free speech. US companies have a qualified right to free speech https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1/freedom-of-speech-for-corporations.html https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1/freedom-of-speec... How about AI? If it is an algorithm that is talking to you, does it have the right to do all the things that are protected by 'free speech'? And does it matter if the AI is commercial, or a home hobby project effort?

golergka 3y ago
Somebody has bought or rented the computer that this AI runs on, somebody has launched it as a piece of code or an API call. This somebody is using his right to free speech, AI is just a tool.
- willvarfar 3y ago
  Can you clarify, is your "somebody" a person or a company?
  - latency-guy2 3y ago
    > is your "somebody" a person or a company? What is the explicit difference between 1 person and 10 persons when it comes to their rights? Explicit, I want to know what rights we lose as soon as "I" transforms into "we".
    - Kbelicius 3y ago
      > What is the explicit difference between 1 person and 10 persons when it comes to their rights? None. > Explicit, I want to know what rights we lose as soon as "I" transforms into "we". In this case a company isn't "we". It is usually the owner.
      - latency-guy2 3y ago
        > > What is the explicit difference between 1 person and 10 persons when it comes to their rights? > None. > > Explicit, I want to know what rights we lose as soon as "I" transforms into "we". > In this case a company isn't "we". It is usually the owner. Awesome, I'm glad that rights do not change between 1 to 1 billion, let's not assert that these rights disappear in conditions that make no difference in quality.
  - Gud 3y ago
    This “somebody” is part of the wealthy ruling class who makes the laws through billions of dollars spent on bribes(“lobbying”) and propaganda.
- EGreg 3y ago
  Praxeology 2.0 I have heard similar arguments about corporations hehe Very Rothbardian, Mises and Say would be proud too https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8550560/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8550560/
  - otherme123 3y ago
    How a corporation can have an opinion? I can give you that an AI trained to make a mixin of a lot of input texts and output a mashup of those texts, the output might not be the same of their creators. That said, it's known that AI creators/trainers can make their AI lean towards certain "opinions", as we saw recently with the case of Gemini and their understanding of diversity (https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini-generative-inaccurate-historical https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini...). Corporations can't do that. Corporations don't ask for everybody's in the corporation opinion and then do an aggregate with all of them to write a press release. They have some people choosing what to say in the press release that goes in the interest of the corporation.
    - latency-guy2 3y ago
      > They have some people choosing what to say in the press release that goes in the interest of the corporation. Who are these people? Are they people or something that are not people?
almostnormal 3y ago
> US companies have a qualified right to free speech There doesn't even seem to be much speech of the companies running the platforms on their own platforms. All they do is quote their users.

golergka 3y ago

Somebody has bought or rented the computer that this AI runs on, somebody has launched it as a piece of code or an API call. This somebody is using his right to free speech, AI is just a tool.

willvarfar 3y ago
Can you clarify, is your "somebody" a person or a company?
- latency-guy2 3y ago
  > is your "somebody" a person or a company? What is the explicit difference between 1 person and 10 persons when it comes to their rights? Explicit, I want to know what rights we lose as soon as "I" transforms into "we".
  - Kbelicius 3y ago
    > What is the explicit difference between 1 person and 10 persons when it comes to their rights? None. > Explicit, I want to know what rights we lose as soon as "I" transforms into "we". In this case a company isn't "we". It is usually the owner.
    - latency-guy2 3y ago
      > > What is the explicit difference between 1 person and 10 persons when it comes to their rights? > None. > > Explicit, I want to know what rights we lose as soon as "I" transforms into "we". > In this case a company isn't "we". It is usually the owner. Awesome, I'm glad that rights do not change between 1 to 1 billion, let's not assert that these rights disappear in conditions that make no difference in quality.
- Gud 3y ago
  This “somebody” is part of the wealthy ruling class who makes the laws through billions of dollars spent on bribes(“lobbying”) and propaganda.
EGreg 3y ago
Praxeology 2.0 I have heard similar arguments about corporations hehe Very Rothbardian, Mises and Say would be proud too https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8550560/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8550560/
- otherme123 3y ago
  How a corporation can have an opinion? I can give you that an AI trained to make a mixin of a lot of input texts and output a mashup of those texts, the output might not be the same of their creators. That said, it's known that AI creators/trainers can make their AI lean towards certain "opinions", as we saw recently with the case of Gemini and their understanding of diversity (https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini-generative-inaccurate-historical https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini...). Corporations can't do that. Corporations don't ask for everybody's in the corporation opinion and then do an aggregate with all of them to write a press release. They have some people choosing what to say in the press release that goes in the interest of the corporation.
  - latency-guy2 3y ago
    > They have some people choosing what to say in the press release that goes in the interest of the corporation. Who are these people? Are they people or something that are not people?

almostnormal 3y ago

> US companies have a qualified right to free speech There doesn't even seem to be much speech of the companies running the platforms on their own platforms. All they do is quote their users.