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Their naming and versioning choices have definitely created some confusion. Apparently GPT-4 Turbo doesn't just come with the the new vision capabilities, but a

Their naming and versioning choices have definitely created some confusion. Apparently GPT-4 Turbo doesn't just come with the the new vision capabilities, but also with improved non-vision capabilities: > "I’m hoping we can get evals out shortly to help quantify this. Until then - it’s a new model with various data and training improvements, resulting in better reasoning."[0] > "- major improvements across the board in our evals (especially math)"[1] [0] https://twitter.com/owencm/status/1777784000712761430 https://twitter.com/owencm/status/1777784000712761430 [1] https://twitter.com/stevenheidel/status/1777789577438318625 https://twitter.com/stevenheidel/status/1777789577438318625

MyFirstSass 3y ago
As a regular user of ChatGPT-4 i this press release makes little sense. What does Vision mean? I've already been able to both upload docs, create images etc. for a while now? What are the "other improvements" and what is Turbo, what is 4.5, what is this new one called? How do i even see what version of the model i'm using in their interface when it just says "4"?
- tedsanders 3y ago
  Worth noting that GPT can be accessed both through ChatGPT and via the OpenAI API. The link in this thread is pointing to documentation for the OpenAI API. Vision means the model can see image inputs. In the API, GPT with vision was previously available in a limited capacity (only some people, and didn't work with all features, like JSON mode and function calling). Now this model is available to everyone and it works with JSON mode and function calling. It also should be smarter at some tasks. This model is now available in the API, and will roll out to users in ChatGPT. In the API, it's named `gpt-4-turbo-2024-04-09`. In ChatGPT, it will be under the umbrella of GPT-4.
qazadex 3y ago
In my experience the turbo models are significantly worse than the old GPT-4 models, especially in structured output and following instructions. I'm guessing its due to the cheapened attention mechanism, but its a bit disappointing that OpenAI tries and hides these limitations.

MyFirstSass 3y ago

As a regular user of ChatGPT-4 i this press release makes little sense. What does Vision mean? I've already been able to both upload docs, create images etc. for a while now? What are the "other improvements" and what is Turbo, what is 4.5, what is this new one called? How do i even see what version of the model i'm using in their interface when it just says "4"?

tedsanders 3y ago
Worth noting that GPT can be accessed both through ChatGPT and via the OpenAI API. The link in this thread is pointing to documentation for the OpenAI API. Vision means the model can see image inputs. In the API, GPT with vision was previously available in a limited capacity (only some people, and didn't work with all features, like JSON mode and function calling). Now this model is available to everyone and it works with JSON mode and function calling. It also should be smarter at some tasks. This model is now available in the API, and will roll out to users in ChatGPT. In the API, it's named `gpt-4-turbo-2024-04-09`. In ChatGPT, it will be under the umbrella of GPT-4.

qazadex 3y ago

In my experience the turbo models are significantly worse than the old GPT-4 models, especially in structured output and following instructions. I'm guessing its due to the cheapened attention mechanism, but its a bit disappointing that OpenAI tries and hides these limitations.