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To be fair, this isn't just a random group of people - they're the people who made Atom, Electron, and Tree-sitter.

alberth 2y ago
Additionally, it’s also not yet another “text editor”. It’s very clear the differentiation of Zed will come in the form of the collaboration functionality it will have.
- fori1to10 2y ago
  And speed. Startup time is instantaneous, in comparison to VS code say.
  - wmf 2y ago
    The same team that "erased" native editors is now selling us the solution to the problem they created.
    - eikenberry 2y ago
      Erased? On the contrary it seems, to me at least, like new editor development has really grown over the last few years. Editors like Kakoune, Helix, Micro are coming along nicely. I'm looking to switch, at least partially, to Helix soon myself.
  - hobs 2y ago
    How much are you going to pay for the 5 seconds per day you open up your editor? Most people dont even close it in the first place.
    - bobbylarrybobby 2y ago
      Presumably speed is an overall important factor for the creators — not just startup speed — and I'd imagine it translates into speed elsewhere, such as input latency and UI responsiveness.
    - metabagel 2y ago
      I haven't tried this software, but I imagine it's more about having the UI keep up, so you can stay in the flow state.
      - hansonkd 2y ago
        Is raw code output so large that your editor can't "keep up" really something to optimize for? For me personally I write as little code as possible. you don't get bonus points for number of lines you write.
        lillecarl 2y ago
        Yes, while at the same time having a responsive UI is important for editing, and we're not hanging less stuff in our editors than yesterday. Both emacs and neovim and vscode are essentially IDEs today.
        satvikpendem 2y ago
        Yes it is, especially when you work with lots of large files in big codebases. I can open files in Vim that would crash VSCode, which is essentially why I still use Vim for certain parts of development.
  - Starlevel004 2y ago
    Straight up not true. Running my local copy it takes 5 seconds for the window to appear.
    - maxbrunsfeld 2y ago
      If this happens with Zed 0.129 or later, could you open an issue? We had a problem at one point where there was a delay in macOS verifying our app’s code signature because we weren’t attaching the code signature correctly.
    - keyle 2y ago
      5 seconds sounds extremely long for a macOS native application. Could be macOS security (XProtect), storage latency?, tons of compressed memory?...
mamidon 2y ago
Oh undoubtedly they'll make a nice editor; I just think it's a tough thing to monetize when there's so many 'good enough' free editors around.
- agrippanux 2y ago
  Their plan is to make really elegant team-based shared coding features baked right into the editor - think a mashup of VSCode + Slack, and then charge for that, likely as a monthly subscription. It's not a bad idea if it can increase team velocity but the requirement would be enough people on the team live within it to justify the cost. I drove Zed for about a month, its very performant and a joy to use, but the lack of a remote development feature is massively prohibitive and I went back to VSCode as a result.
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  - nicce 2y ago
    There are way too many other features missing as well to do anything serious to be fair. All the things you would like proper IDE to do to increase your productivity. Let's see in couple years. The biggest problem is to get those initial features decent so that you can extract the value from crowdsourcing the missing things like VSCode does.
    - sdesol 2y ago
      > crowdsourcing the missing things like VSCode does. Based on what I am seeing right now [1], they might well have enough inertia to seriously compete against VSCode. I've analyzed a lot of open source projects and their community engagement on GitHub is quite impressive. Their contributor and new contributor stats is still going up, even though the initial hype was 2 months ago, which is really impressive. If they can get proper support for Linux and Windows and nail core features, I can see people wanting to contribute in the future and business leaders paying for it, if they can demonstrate improved productivity and collaboration. Full disclosure: This is my tool [1] https://devboard.gitsense.com/zed-industries?board=gitsense.insights&nb=all&r=zed-industries%2Fzed https://devboard.gitsense.com/zed-industries?board=gitsense....
pjmlp 2y ago
Not all of us have those editors in high regard.

Additionally, it’s also not yet another “text editor”. It’s very clear the differentiation of Zed will come in the form of the collaboration functionality it will have.

fori1to10 2y ago
And speed. Startup time is instantaneous, in comparison to VS code say.
- wmf 2y ago
  The same team that "erased" native editors is now selling us the solution to the problem they created.
  - eikenberry 2y ago
    Erased? On the contrary it seems, to me at least, like new editor development has really grown over the last few years. Editors like Kakoune, Helix, Micro are coming along nicely. I'm looking to switch, at least partially, to Helix soon myself.
- hobs 2y ago
  How much are you going to pay for the 5 seconds per day you open up your editor? Most people dont even close it in the first place.
  - bobbylarrybobby 2y ago
    Presumably speed is an overall important factor for the creators — not just startup speed — and I'd imagine it translates into speed elsewhere, such as input latency and UI responsiveness.
  - metabagel 2y ago
    I haven't tried this software, but I imagine it's more about having the UI keep up, so you can stay in the flow state.
    - hansonkd 2y ago
      Is raw code output so large that your editor can't "keep up" really something to optimize for? For me personally I write as little code as possible. you don't get bonus points for number of lines you write.
      - lillecarl 2y ago
        Yes, while at the same time having a responsive UI is important for editing, and we're not hanging less stuff in our editors than yesterday. Both emacs and neovim and vscode are essentially IDEs today.
      - satvikpendem 2y ago
        Yes it is, especially when you work with lots of large files in big codebases. I can open files in Vim that would crash VSCode, which is essentially why I still use Vim for certain parts of development.
- Starlevel004 2y ago
  Straight up not true. Running my local copy it takes 5 seconds for the window to appear.
  - maxbrunsfeld 2y ago
    If this happens with Zed 0.129 or later, could you open an issue? We had a problem at one point where there was a delay in macOS verifying our app’s code signature because we weren’t attaching the code signature correctly.
  - keyle 2y ago
    5 seconds sounds extremely long for a macOS native application. Could be macOS security (XProtect), storage latency?, tons of compressed memory?...

mamidon 2y ago

Oh undoubtedly they'll make a nice editor; I just think it's a tough thing to monetize when there's so many 'good enough' free editors around.

agrippanux 2y ago
Their plan is to make really elegant team-based shared coding features baked right into the editor - think a mashup of VSCode + Slack, and then charge for that, likely as a monthly subscription. It's not a bad idea if it can increase team velocity but the requirement would be enough people on the team live within it to justify the cost. I drove Zed for about a month, its very performant and a joy to use, but the lack of a remote development feature is massively prohibitive and I went back to VSCode as a result.
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- nicce 2y ago
  There are way too many other features missing as well to do anything serious to be fair. All the things you would like proper IDE to do to increase your productivity. Let's see in couple years. The biggest problem is to get those initial features decent so that you can extract the value from crowdsourcing the missing things like VSCode does.
  - sdesol 2y ago
    > crowdsourcing the missing things like VSCode does. Based on what I am seeing right now [1], they might well have enough inertia to seriously compete against VSCode. I've analyzed a lot of open source projects and their community engagement on GitHub is quite impressive. Their contributor and new contributor stats is still going up, even though the initial hype was 2 months ago, which is really impressive. If they can get proper support for Linux and Windows and nail core features, I can see people wanting to contribute in the future and business leaders paying for it, if they can demonstrate improved productivity and collaboration. Full disclosure: This is my tool [1] https://devboard.gitsense.com/zed-industries?board=gitsense.insights&nb=all&r=zed-industries%2Fzed https://devboard.gitsense.com/zed-industries?board=gitsense....

pjmlp 2y ago

Not all of us have those editors in high regard.