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- leed25d 3y ago> "Fool!" says the wizard. "Do you think I want to learn yet another editor?" The supposed 'wizard' is no sage. Every sage uses emacs.
- gary17the 3y agoLowest. Common. Denominator. Every sage switches Visual Studio Code to vi mode.
- throwiforgtnlzy 3y agoAnd the mega corp requires use of a fork of vscode with a limited number of plugins, including ones that run completely client-side that would increase productivity greatly. Next, they'll demand RTO, Colemak keyboard layouts, and faded 13" 4:3 CRT monitors. Nooooooooooooooooo.....
- BrandoElFollito 3y agoEvery sage who started using linux in the mid 90s thanks the gods of internet twice a day for better and better editors because he does not need to say "how the fuck do I get out of this shit" when he lands in vi by mistake (vi took its name from that expression, a less known fact,)
- horeszko 3y ago> "It's terrible using this system. I must use four editors each day to get my studies done, because not one of them does everything." The apprentice has yet to learn Emacs. Once mastered, Emacs becomes the system.
- pjmlp 3y agoTrue enlightenment only comes after upskilling into XEmacs.
- throwiforgtnlzy 3y ago:D One of my late friends was a core XEmacs dev. Edit: I intended to make a quip about systemd being orthogonal to UNIX philosophy, and how churn novelty and platform-specific idiosyncrasies break the contract of robust, portable, stable compatibility, but I'll be over here mumbling to myself in the corner instead.
- lenerdenator 3y ago> Emacs I have heard much about this editor, about its supposed war with Vim, and yet after twelve years in the IT world doing both support and software dev, I have yet to see anyone use Emacs in the wild. Not even ironically.
- aidenn0 3y agoIt's actually really nice, and I say that as someone who started using vi in 1992 (First Oak Hill, then vim aroud '98). IMO emacs with evil-mode is a better vim than vim.
- throwiforgtnlzy 3y agoHave you tried the post-vim vim-alikes? neovim and such?
- aidenn0 3y ago1. Neovim doesn't have a gui built in, and the ones that I have tried were kind of "meh." I've been using gvim for 20ish years. 2. Vim 8 added async support which, IMO was the "killer feature" of neovim. Built-in LSP is nice I guess, but LSP is often a bit of a pain to integrate with my workflow, and when I do, ALE (which I already use for linting) has me covered. 3. For more modern takes on modal editors, kakoune was by far my favorite; Helix had an impedance mismatch with how I edit text[A] 4. Lastly, vim and evil-mode are so similar that if/when I'm stuck in vim on a remote terminal, my muscle memory works great. With my configuration, literally the only difference (modulo C-z, which is the emacs escape-hatch) is case-matching replacement with "/" which evil-mode does and vim does not. A: Though I must say thath when I brought them up to the community at the time, they seemed very open to addressing these issues; I had only positive interactions with the Helix community; people were super polite and nobody tried to YX problem me, which is unheard of in an IRC channel.
- CLiED 3y agoThe Emacs-vi war is ancient geek lore, nowadays usage statistics are probably 67% VSCode, 30% unassorted IDEs, 2% vi/m, 1% Emacs.
- throwiforgtnlzy 3y agoEmacs, web browsers, and hypervisors are systems/platform inception. Not sure which critter in Animalia it is all the way down, but it could be turtles or giraffes.
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- kirth_gersen 3y agoA better punchline: "Fool! That's how we ended up with four editors in the first place!"
- wormius 3y agoEvan Martin - there's a name I haven't heard in many years