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I find it quite ironic that google are the biggest players in creating solutions that actively contribute in defeating their very own anti automation software.

by S0y 3y ago

I find it quite ironic that google are the biggest players in creating solutions that actively contribute in defeating their very own anti automation software. Makes you wonder if the goal of their captcha system was ever really to stop people from botting.

warthog 3y ago
huh exactly what I thought when I saw this
- passion__desire 3y ago
  Isn't creating dataset for this the most easiest? we have source text of html and how they are rendered with all the intermediate info about tags, css layout etc available from most modern browsers.
spxneo 3y ago
that would be the 4d chess move: imagine when you get a captcha with "click 1 thing from things that do not fly" but you actually helping select drone targets somewhere in middle east
- htrp 3y ago
  https://xkcd.com/1897/ https://xkcd.com/1897/
- notahacker 3y ago
  this is what happens at the intersection of unlimited VC money for "AI" and wannabe entrepreneurs that read Ender's Game and thought "business opportunity here"
echelon 3y ago
"Remove the ads from this page" I can't wait for AI to become the ultimate ad-removal tool. There might be an arms race, but the anti-ad side will win as long as there isn't a unilateral winner (strongest models, biggest platform). There will be enough of a shake up to the current regime -- search, browsers, etc. -- that there is opportunity for new players to attack multiple fronts. Given choice, I don't think users will accept a hamstrung interface that forces a subpar experience. We basically just need to make sure Google, Microsoft/OpenAI, or some other industry giant doesn't win or that we don't wind up living under a cabal of just a few players. I'm already hopefully imagining AI agents working for us to not just remove advertising noise, but to actively route around all of the times and places we're taken advantage of. That would be an excellent future.
- notduncansmith 3y ago
  “It looks like this entire article is an advertorial piece for a book. Would you still like to read it?”
  - taneq 3y ago
    And most people would say it’s broken and only returns false positives. Well, half right, but the positives aren’t false…
- Xenoamorphous 3y ago
  Everything behind a paywall then?
- cobbal 3y ago
  I'm now envisioning an ad framework, where instead of selling rectangles of content, advertisers bid to use an llm to rewrite the whole article with at least {{4}} mentions of {{how refreshing pepsi is}}.
- knallfrosch 3y ago
  Apple won't allow AI-powered extensions. They currently don't even allow blacklist-powered extensions like UBlock. And that's the "privacy" focussed company, shoving ads down your throat. The competitor is Google. And 90% of users spend 90% of their time in walled gardens like Instagram or TikTok anyway. They see built-in ads. Do I need to say more?
- sebastiennight 3y ago
  From time to time I see this comment pop up. I think either I'm crossing paths with you a lot, and am always stricken by so much trusting enthusiasm... - or there're many people who have the same dream you're mentioning, in which case, one of you should build this product :-)
_boffin_ 3y ago
> Makes you wonder if the goal of their captcha system was ever really to stop people from botting. I don't think that was the main goal, but rather for them to get a massive labeling dataset for training their models on the cheap.
- rcthompson 3y ago
  In turns out it's fine to have the snake eat its own tail if your real goal is just to keep the snake fed.

by S0y 3y ago

warthog 3y ago

huh exactly what I thought when I saw this

passion__desire 3y ago
Isn't creating dataset for this the most easiest? we have source text of html and how they are rendered with all the intermediate info about tags, css layout etc available from most modern browsers.

spxneo 3y ago

that would be the 4d chess move: imagine when you get a captcha with "click 1 thing from things that do not fly" but you actually helping select drone targets somewhere in middle east

htrp 3y ago
https://xkcd.com/1897/ https://xkcd.com/1897/
notahacker 3y ago
this is what happens at the intersection of unlimited VC money for "AI" and wannabe entrepreneurs that read Ender's Game and thought "business opportunity here"

echelon 3y ago

"Remove the ads from this page" I can't wait for AI to become the ultimate ad-removal tool. There might be an arms race, but the anti-ad side will win as long as there isn't a unilateral winner (strongest models, biggest platform). There will be enough of a shake up to the current regime -- search, browsers, etc. -- that there is opportunity for new players to attack multiple fronts. Given choice, I don't think users will accept a hamstrung interface that forces a subpar experience. We basically just need to make sure Google, Microsoft/OpenAI, or some other industry giant doesn't win or that we don't wind up living under a cabal of just a few players. I'm already hopefully imagining AI agents working for us to not just remove advertising noise, but to actively route around all of the times and places we're taken advantage of. That would be an excellent future.

notduncansmith 3y ago
“It looks like this entire article is an advertorial piece for a book. Would you still like to read it?”
- taneq 3y ago
  And most people would say it’s broken and only returns false positives. Well, half right, but the positives aren’t false…
Xenoamorphous 3y ago
Everything behind a paywall then?
cobbal 3y ago
I'm now envisioning an ad framework, where instead of selling rectangles of content, advertisers bid to use an llm to rewrite the whole article with at least {{4}} mentions of {{how refreshing pepsi is}}.
knallfrosch 3y ago
Apple won't allow AI-powered extensions. They currently don't even allow blacklist-powered extensions like UBlock. And that's the "privacy" focussed company, shoving ads down your throat. The competitor is Google. And 90% of users spend 90% of their time in walled gardens like Instagram or TikTok anyway. They see built-in ads. Do I need to say more?
sebastiennight 3y ago
From time to time I see this comment pop up. I think either I'm crossing paths with you a lot, and am always stricken by so much trusting enthusiasm... - or there're many people who have the same dream you're mentioning, in which case, one of you should build this product :-)

_boffin_ 3y ago

> Makes you wonder if the goal of their captcha system was ever really to stop people from botting. I don't think that was the main goal, but rather for them to get a massive labeling dataset for training their models on the cheap.

rcthompson 3y ago
In turns out it's fine to have the snake eat its own tail if your real goal is just to keep the snake fed.