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Nowhere near the usability of Linux, let alone something like MacOS. I'd be really happy if I could easily deploy small self-contained embedded applications us

Nowhere near the usability of Linux, let alone something like MacOS. I'd be really happy if I could easily deploy small self-contained embedded applications using general purpose ARMv8 processors. Like one would do with an infotainment system for a car, which is currently done primarily with QNX.

forty 3y ago
> Nowhere near the usability of Linux, let alone something like MacOS. Like if there was a clear order of usability between Linux and MacOS :) it's more a matter of habits and preferences (and religion maybe for some ^^) than anything else.
- naasking 3y ago
  Mac OS clearly has more polish and deeper integration, but these days the difference isn't the huge chasm that most think.
  - DEADMINCE 3y ago
    MacOS seemed downright rough the few times I've had to use it. It's not intuitive and stuff often seems buggy until you get that dreaded spinning pinwheel...
    - naasking 3y ago
      "Intuitive" is not an objective property, it's too polluted by habits you've learned from other systems. But we can say this: there's nothing intuitive about Windows' incomplete transition to the new settings app that still sometimes requires you to jump to the old control panel system; there's nothing intuitive about Linux' 50 desktop environments, each with their own incomplete configuration systems. In any kind of match up, MacOS will win on simplicity and intuitiveness hands down simply because every other option is just much worse.
      - DEADMINCE 3y ago
        > "Intuitive" is not an objective property, it's too polluted by habits you've learned from other systems. To an extent, but then the test is seeing how people who have never used any system interact. I maintain the MacOS paradigm is objectively less intuitive than alternatives. > But we can say this: there's nothing intuitive about Windows' incomplete transition to the new settings app that still sometimes requires you to jump to the old control panel system; there's nothing intuitive about Linux' 50 desktop environments, each with their own incomplete configuration systems Sure, that's clumsy. Not really relevant though. > In any kind of match up, MacOS will win on simplicity and intuitiveness hands down simply because every other option is just much worse. Strongly disagree. MacOS comes in behind Windows for certain, and likely behind a couple of FOSS DEs as well. Windows has issues, but usability isn't one of them.

forty 3y ago

> Nowhere near the usability of Linux, let alone something like MacOS. Like if there was a clear order of usability between Linux and MacOS :) it's more a matter of habits and preferences (and religion maybe for some ^^) than anything else.

naasking 3y ago
Mac OS clearly has more polish and deeper integration, but these days the difference isn't the huge chasm that most think.
- DEADMINCE 3y ago
  MacOS seemed downright rough the few times I've had to use it. It's not intuitive and stuff often seems buggy until you get that dreaded spinning pinwheel...
  - naasking 3y ago
    "Intuitive" is not an objective property, it's too polluted by habits you've learned from other systems. But we can say this: there's nothing intuitive about Windows' incomplete transition to the new settings app that still sometimes requires you to jump to the old control panel system; there's nothing intuitive about Linux' 50 desktop environments, each with their own incomplete configuration systems. In any kind of match up, MacOS will win on simplicity and intuitiveness hands down simply because every other option is just much worse.
    - DEADMINCE 3y ago
      > "Intuitive" is not an objective property, it's too polluted by habits you've learned from other systems. To an extent, but then the test is seeing how people who have never used any system interact. I maintain the MacOS paradigm is objectively less intuitive than alternatives. > But we can say this: there's nothing intuitive about Windows' incomplete transition to the new settings app that still sometimes requires you to jump to the old control panel system; there's nothing intuitive about Linux' 50 desktop environments, each with their own incomplete configuration systems Sure, that's clumsy. Not really relevant though. > In any kind of match up, MacOS will win on simplicity and intuitiveness hands down simply because every other option is just much worse. Strongly disagree. MacOS comes in behind Windows for certain, and likely behind a couple of FOSS DEs as well. Windows has issues, but usability isn't one of them.