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"Matt, Automattic’s CEO, and I have known each other for years. He was an early user, supporter and investor in Beeper. " Beeper were not important enough to b

by markx2 3y ago

"Matt, Automattic’s CEO, and I have known each other for years. He was an early user, supporter and investor in Beeper. " Beeper were not important enough to be listed: https://audrey.co/ https://audrey.co/ "Our privacy policy and terms of service remain the same, though they may change in the future." Reminder: wordpress.com shares data with 851 other companies.

PaulHoule 3y ago
How does Automattic make money? Do they get paid to look the other way when people’s Wordpress blogs get spammed by SEO links?
- ecommerceguy 3y ago
  WooCommerce is one.
- trickjarrett 3y ago
  They provide hosting for Wordpress blogs, and a number of their backend tools have premium versions, such as backups, etc.
- RobotToaster 3y ago
  They run a proprietary SaaS called jetpack that injects a lot of tracking into otherwise self hosted wordpress blogs.
Contortion 3y ago
Plus your messages will no longer be fully E2E encrypted. As per their FAQ (emphasis mine): "For example, if you send a message from Beeper to a friend on WhatsApp, the message is encrypted on your Beeper client, sent to the bridge, which decrypts and re-encrypts the message with WhatsApp's proprietary encryption protocol." Directly underneath that they also say: "Using native end-to-end encrypted chat apps independently may be more secure than connecting to them to Beeper" https://www.beeper.com/faq#how-does-beeper-connect-to-encrypted-chat-networks-like-imessage-signal-whatsapp https://www.beeper.com/faq#how-does-beeper-connect-to-encryp...
- COGlory 3y ago
  What do you mean "no longer"? Beeper has always behaved like this.
  - Contortion 3y ago
    No longer as in for a new user that currently uses individual apps.
    - lolinder 3y ago
      In context your use of "no longer" is very confusing. This thread is talking about what might change in Beeper as a service, if you want to interject with information about how the service currently works there are other phrases that would have made that clearer.
      - Contortion 3y ago
        You are correct. I was adding what I considered extra privacy-relevant information in response to GPs statement about WordPress sharing data with other companies, but the fact that I'd not heard of Beeper before unintentionally influenced my word choice.
- mintplant 3y ago
  You can host the bridges yourself: https://github.com/beeper/bridge-manager https://github.com/beeper/bridge-manager
  - snowfield 3y ago
    Still won't be E2E as per their FAQ
    - tylerritchie 3y ago
      that FAQ is accurate but (rightly) doesn't cover high-security deployments. if I'm running the bridges local-to-the-client (I am, on my McBook) it's not meaningfully any less e2ee. encryption happens in the matrix client (running on the laptop), the encrypted message is sent to the homeserver on localhost, the bridge (on localhost) grabs the encrypted message and decrypts it, then the bridge re-encrypts it and sends it to Whatsapp (or wherever). the content of the message is as secure over the wire with this approach as using first-party apps directly if one hosts their own bridges they're person-in-the-middling themselves and should take all the necessary precautions. if they're using beeper's hosted options they have to delegate read/write ability to beeper (though I think the signal and imessage bridges might be device-local), and beeper is clear about that.

by markx2 3y ago

PaulHoule 3y ago

How does Automattic make money? Do they get paid to look the other way when people’s Wordpress blogs get spammed by SEO links?

ecommerceguy 3y ago
WooCommerce is one.
trickjarrett 3y ago
They provide hosting for Wordpress blogs, and a number of their backend tools have premium versions, such as backups, etc.
RobotToaster 3y ago
They run a proprietary SaaS called jetpack that injects a lot of tracking into otherwise self hosted wordpress blogs.

Contortion 3y ago

Plus your messages will no longer be fully E2E encrypted. As per their FAQ (emphasis mine): "For example, if you send a message from Beeper to a friend on WhatsApp, the message is encrypted on your Beeper client, sent to the bridge, which decrypts and re-encrypts the message with WhatsApp's proprietary encryption protocol." Directly underneath that they also say: "Using native end-to-end encrypted chat apps independently may be more secure than connecting to them to Beeper" https://www.beeper.com/faq#how-does-beeper-connect-to-encrypted-chat-networks-like-imessage-signal-whatsapp https://www.beeper.com/faq#how-does-beeper-connect-to-encryp...

COGlory 3y ago
What do you mean "no longer"? Beeper has always behaved like this.
- Contortion 3y ago
  No longer as in for a new user that currently uses individual apps.
  - lolinder 3y ago
    In context your use of "no longer" is very confusing. This thread is talking about what might change in Beeper as a service, if you want to interject with information about how the service currently works there are other phrases that would have made that clearer.
    - Contortion 3y ago
      You are correct. I was adding what I considered extra privacy-relevant information in response to GPs statement about WordPress sharing data with other companies, but the fact that I'd not heard of Beeper before unintentionally influenced my word choice.
mintplant 3y ago
You can host the bridges yourself: https://github.com/beeper/bridge-manager https://github.com/beeper/bridge-manager
- snowfield 3y ago
  Still won't be E2E as per their FAQ
  - tylerritchie 3y ago
    that FAQ is accurate but (rightly) doesn't cover high-security deployments. if I'm running the bridges local-to-the-client (I am, on my McBook) it's not meaningfully any less e2ee. encryption happens in the matrix client (running on the laptop), the encrypted message is sent to the homeserver on localhost, the bridge (on localhost) grabs the encrypted message and decrypts it, then the bridge re-encrypts it and sends it to Whatsapp (or wherever). the content of the message is as secure over the wire with this approach as using first-party apps directly if one hosts their own bridges they're person-in-the-middling themselves and should take all the necessary precautions. if they're using beeper's hosted options they have to delegate read/write ability to beeper (though I think the signal and imessage bridges might be device-local), and beeper is clear about that.