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If they had to get acquired, Automattic is most likely the best I could've hoped for. The backing of a large company might help Beeper get more formalized APIs

If they had to get acquired, Automattic is most likely the best I could've hoped for. The backing of a large company might help Beeper get more formalized APIs since they depend on hidden APIs and hacks to do what they do.

rchaud 2y ago
Is Automattic big enough to achieve that? You'd think they would be making a pretty penny from Wordpress.com and Tumblr, but these days you wouldn't pick either one over the competition (Wix, Squarespace Threads, IG etc).
- joenot443 2y ago
  I still choose WP over Wix or SquareSpace when given the option. Self hosting a bunch of WP sites on a DigitalOcean instance and mirroring them all through CloudFlare is probably the cheapest way to run high traffic read-only sites. Toss in ServerPilot and you can spin up sites about as quickly as you could doing the Wix onboarding. My prediction is that by 2030 Wordpress will be just as popular as it is today :)
  - rchaud 2y ago
    WordPress.com isn't self-hosted, it's the freemium cloud version comparable to Wix and Squarespace. Automattic isn't making any money on the open-source version that can be hosted anywhere.
    - joenot443 2y ago
      You’re right, that distinction’s very important. I’d never recommend WordPress.com, I’m just a fan of Wordpress the OSS.
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    In the past I would have argued against you, but the WP block editor has taken away most of the advantage that Wix/SquareSpace had. I've done the same as you now. You can buy a $3/mo Hetzner ARM box and run 100 WP sites on it.
  - ravetcofx 2y ago
    Static HTML is even cheaper. I don't understand how some people can't think outside of CMS land
    - pjerem 2y ago
      Because you need either to write your own html or to use a static site generator, none of which are accessible solutions to normal people. WordPress (.com) is accessible to my grandmother.
    - joenot443 2y ago
      In my case it's because sometimes my clients like to publish or make edits without my intervention. My own personal site is static HTML mirrored against Cloudflare, I do definitely see the advantage when it's there :)
- themoonisachees 2y ago
  Maybe. It seems automattic is realizing that there is value in being "the established service that does what the giants are doing but isn't the giants". Personally and I think the HN crowd would agree with me, I see the value proposition in using Tumblr, beeper, WordPress over their competitors, simply because automattic has amassed a lot of consumer trust in not running things into the ground and making interesting things out of software that seems like it shouldn't be there.
- mbesto 2y ago
  Automattic does like $200~$300M in revenue.
  - fuzztester 2y ago
    And profits?
  - drkleiner 2y ago
    That doesn't sound much considering they employ like 2k people, that's $100k per worker and considering they're tech workers that would just cover their pay
    - pjerem 2y ago
      As long as they can sustain themselves and/or grow without profits, who cares ? Also they hire all around the world where $100k/yr is the exception and not the norm.
ravetcofx 2y ago
I've been pretty impressed with their Pocket Casts acquisition from NPR to date, they open sourced the apps which was a great bit of community service.
maxloh 2y ago
IMO hidden APIs are not quite safe to use. As a user, you are susceptible to be banned by the service when they find out that you have another active session in another country or city. Some users on Reddit reported that they get suspended by Instagram because of Beeper.

rchaud 2y ago

Is Automattic big enough to achieve that? You'd think they would be making a pretty penny from Wordpress.com and Tumblr, but these days you wouldn't pick either one over the competition (Wix, Squarespace Threads, IG etc).

joenot443 2y ago
I still choose WP over Wix or SquareSpace when given the option. Self hosting a bunch of WP sites on a DigitalOcean instance and mirroring them all through CloudFlare is probably the cheapest way to run high traffic read-only sites. Toss in ServerPilot and you can spin up sites about as quickly as you could doing the Wix onboarding. My prediction is that by 2030 Wordpress will be just as popular as it is today :)
- rchaud 2y ago
  WordPress.com isn't self-hosted, it's the freemium cloud version comparable to Wix and Squarespace. Automattic isn't making any money on the open-source version that can be hosted anywhere.
  - joenot443 2y ago
    You’re right, that distinction’s very important. I’d never recommend WordPress.com, I’m just a fan of Wordpress the OSS.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  In the past I would have argued against you, but the WP block editor has taken away most of the advantage that Wix/SquareSpace had. I've done the same as you now. You can buy a $3/mo Hetzner ARM box and run 100 WP sites on it.
- ravetcofx 2y ago
  Static HTML is even cheaper. I don't understand how some people can't think outside of CMS land
  - pjerem 2y ago
    Because you need either to write your own html or to use a static site generator, none of which are accessible solutions to normal people. WordPress (.com) is accessible to my grandmother.
  - joenot443 2y ago
    In my case it's because sometimes my clients like to publish or make edits without my intervention. My own personal site is static HTML mirrored against Cloudflare, I do definitely see the advantage when it's there :)
themoonisachees 2y ago
Maybe. It seems automattic is realizing that there is value in being "the established service that does what the giants are doing but isn't the giants". Personally and I think the HN crowd would agree with me, I see the value proposition in using Tumblr, beeper, WordPress over their competitors, simply because automattic has amassed a lot of consumer trust in not running things into the ground and making interesting things out of software that seems like it shouldn't be there.
mbesto 2y ago
Automattic does like $200~$300M in revenue.
- fuzztester 2y ago
  And profits?
- drkleiner 2y ago
  That doesn't sound much considering they employ like 2k people, that's $100k per worker and considering they're tech workers that would just cover their pay
  - pjerem 2y ago
    As long as they can sustain themselves and/or grow without profits, who cares ? Also they hire all around the world where $100k/yr is the exception and not the norm.

ravetcofx 2y ago

I've been pretty impressed with their Pocket Casts acquisition from NPR to date, they open sourced the apps which was a great bit of community service.

maxloh 2y ago

IMO hidden APIs are not quite safe to use. As a user, you are susceptible to be banned by the service when they find out that you have another active session in another country or city. Some users on Reddit reported that they get suspended by Instagram because of Beeper.