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So, cleaning up the air but poisoning the waters?

alephnerd 3y ago
Not even cleaning the air. While India is working on massive green energy projects, it's also doubling down on expanding Coal Capacity [0] as a short term solution to energy independence. China's doing the same [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-increase-coal-fired-capacity-2024-by-most-least-6-years-2024-02-01/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-increase-coal-...
- Tagbert 3y ago
  With EVs, even if they are powered by 100% coal electricity, they still produce less CO2 and pollution than an ICEV. Considering how dirty most gas-powered rickshaws have been, I have to assume that the electric versions are much much cleaner in this regard.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    The e-rickshaws use lead acid batteries and "disposal infrastructure" is just chucking it to the side if it's dead. A CNG auto-rickshaw is also similarly light on fumes. In all honesty, all three-wheelers need to be banned in India, but it will never happen because that's political suicide.
    - Symbiote 3y ago
      Someone will collect the lead for scrap, it's valuable enough that even in wealthy countries it is worth stealing.
      - alephnerd 3y ago
        I take it you've never taken AP Chem. Here's how you extract lead from lead acid batteries in the developing world (video is from Pakistan, but same principle in India, Vietnam, Phillipines, etc) [0], because Western Europe level environmental and labor laws aren't a thing. [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGg0P7B5fI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGg0P7B5fI
        Symbiote 3y ago
        So what's the problem? The battery is clearly recycled, it's not going to end up in a river, burned or in landfill.
        actionfromafar 3y ago
        That's great and all, but lead is nasty stuff. I really hope it's use will diminish. Lead handling is always fraught with risks at every turn.
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    What do you mean gas powered, they used to run two-stroke engines. Burning half oil.

Not even cleaning the air. While India is working on massive green energy projects, it's also doubling down on expanding Coal Capacity [0] as a short term solution to energy independence. China's doing the same [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-increase-coal-fired-capacity-2024-by-most-least-6-years-2024-02-01/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/india-increase-coal-...

Tagbert 3y ago
With EVs, even if they are powered by 100% coal electricity, they still produce less CO2 and pollution than an ICEV. Considering how dirty most gas-powered rickshaws have been, I have to assume that the electric versions are much much cleaner in this regard.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  The e-rickshaws use lead acid batteries and "disposal infrastructure" is just chucking it to the side if it's dead. A CNG auto-rickshaw is also similarly light on fumes. In all honesty, all three-wheelers need to be banned in India, but it will never happen because that's political suicide.
  - Symbiote 3y ago
    Someone will collect the lead for scrap, it's valuable enough that even in wealthy countries it is worth stealing.
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      I take it you've never taken AP Chem. Here's how you extract lead from lead acid batteries in the developing world (video is from Pakistan, but same principle in India, Vietnam, Phillipines, etc) [0], because Western Europe level environmental and labor laws aren't a thing. [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGg0P7B5fI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGg0P7B5fI
      - Symbiote 3y ago
        So what's the problem? The battery is clearly recycled, it's not going to end up in a river, burned or in landfill.
        actionfromafar 3y ago
        That's great and all, but lead is nasty stuff. I really hope it's use will diminish. Lead handling is always fraught with risks at every turn.
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  What do you mean gas powered, they used to run two-stroke engines. Burning half oil.