> in a language like Python, it isn't always clear whether my_list is a value or a reference. I can't think of anything that's a value? At least since Java, th

> in a language like Python, it isn't always clear whether my_list is a value or a reference. I can't think of anything that's a value? At least since Java, the idea of "everything is an object" seems pretty dominant in most languages. There are a few immutable types, like ints, strings and tuples, but you still refer to them by reference.