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Enjoy that style ? Go play Beyond All Reason, its free and open-source spiritual heir - https://www.beyondallreason.info https://www.beyondallreason.info

bloqs 3y ago
Thank you for this, had no idea it existed
- vladms 3y ago
  And, for completion, with the same engine that beyond all reason is done, but with a different game play feeling: https://zero-k.info/ https://zero-k.info/ I personally prefer Zero-K (flatter tech tree, territory can be more important), but both are great games.
  - concordDance 3y ago
    Also prefer Zero-K. The economy system design results in better team games imo. Though obviously it's a lot less pretty.
    - mcbuilder 3y ago
      I've never played much Zero-K, but from I understand the eco in BAR is truely exponential, after you get to the top of the tech tree and have a metal maker economy. It's an interesting design, since late game human becomes the bottleneck in expanding the eco, since exponential growth also means you have to increase your attention in managing it. Zero-K from what I know has overdrive fusions, which isn't really exponential in the same sense. In the end, both are great games.
      - Log_out_ 3y ago
        It's limited by builds pace though
      - paulddraper 3y ago
        Exponential is great; it ensures a reasonable end to the game. (A problem TA suffered.) Also, when the games do last a while, it is truly amazing to watch. [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIC_JMZKBkQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIC_JMZKBkQ
paulddraper 3y ago
I played Total Annihilation as a kid. Finding Beyond All Reason was amazing. And spectating 8v8+ with tens of thousands of units is something else. It's unfortunate that large scale RTS isn't a more popular genre. Instead it's all Fortnite/CoD/WoW
- InsomniacL 3y ago
  if you haven't seen already, check YouTube where the mods enable larger lobbies. There are some really good casts of 40 vs 40 players or more! Here's a recent 25 vs 25: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btnU_IPWPmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btnU_IPWPmY
  - paulddraper 3y ago
    Oh I have. Those are wild.
- m463 3y ago
  I still play the CNC games every once in a while.
- dumpsterlid 3y ago
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- tobinfekkes 3y ago
  I still play Total Annihilation. I am not a "gamer" and don't play any computer games anymore, but boy do I still love Total Annihilation. My cousin was a tester for Cavedog in the late 90s and gave us a copy before it was big. I still have some CDs! Love to see Beyond All Reason continuing the spirit.
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  It feels like Starcraft 2 was the last traditional RTS; I suspect part of that is because other developers think their game wouldn't have a chance without competitive multiplayer as tight as SC2's. That said, there's still some RTS games in the indie space / on Steam, like Homeworld: Deserts of something. But that one was ultimately disappointing overall.
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Spellman 3y ago
I thought technically BAR is the OSS heir of Total Annihilation (which then Supreme Commander later developed). Only 2 sides, no unique Experimental units, etc. That being said, it's a great FOSS game and really captures the genre feel of epic scale.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  Yes, Supreme Commander, Beyond All Reason are cousins (and Planetary/Industrial Annihilation) -- all successors to TA. And there are the direct TA mods...Balanced Annihilation and TA: Escalation
  - ffsm8 3y ago
    Part of that family is also the spring engine (zero-k and others)
- Buttons840 3y ago
  Each side has unique experimental units, not sure what you mean by that. But, as you say, there are 2 factions to play instead of the 4 you'd find in SupCom. A 3rd faction is being worked on though and can be used in multiplayer, but it's beta quality.
short_sells_poo 3y ago
I want to like BAR because it is so obviously made with passion and attention to detail but I can't get over how wonky the units look. I don't mean the quality, but the design. They don't look at all cool and I can't get the power fantasy of leading an army of killer robots. I feel like leading some random hodgepodge of guns mounted on trash cans.
- Log_out_ 3y ago
  You need distinct silhouettes more than cool powerfantasies while gaming
  - short_sells_poo 3y ago
    If you are a sweaty tryhard I agree. But I personally want cool powerfantasies and big explosions while gaming, otherwise I could just as well play chess or go. To be clear, I'm not arguing against clear silhouettes, but the general unit design. The robots often just look wacky. Like the sumo thing is this lumbering trashcan that could as well be accompanied by a tuba soundtrack.

bloqs 3y ago

Thank you for this, had no idea it existed

vladms 3y ago
And, for completion, with the same engine that beyond all reason is done, but with a different game play feeling: https://zero-k.info/ https://zero-k.info/ I personally prefer Zero-K (flatter tech tree, territory can be more important), but both are great games.
- concordDance 3y ago
  Also prefer Zero-K. The economy system design results in better team games imo. Though obviously it's a lot less pretty.
  - mcbuilder 3y ago
    I've never played much Zero-K, but from I understand the eco in BAR is truely exponential, after you get to the top of the tech tree and have a metal maker economy. It's an interesting design, since late game human becomes the bottleneck in expanding the eco, since exponential growth also means you have to increase your attention in managing it. Zero-K from what I know has overdrive fusions, which isn't really exponential in the same sense. In the end, both are great games.
    - Log_out_ 3y ago
      It's limited by builds pace though
    - paulddraper 3y ago
      Exponential is great; it ensures a reasonable end to the game. (A problem TA suffered.) Also, when the games do last a while, it is truly amazing to watch. [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIC_JMZKBkQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIC_JMZKBkQ

paulddraper 3y ago

I played Total Annihilation as a kid. Finding Beyond All Reason was amazing. And spectating 8v8+ with tens of thousands of units is something else. It's unfortunate that large scale RTS isn't a more popular genre. Instead it's all Fortnite/CoD/WoW

InsomniacL 3y ago
if you haven't seen already, check YouTube where the mods enable larger lobbies. There are some really good casts of 40 vs 40 players or more! Here's a recent 25 vs 25: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btnU_IPWPmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btnU_IPWPmY
- paulddraper 3y ago
  Oh I have. Those are wild.
m463 3y ago
I still play the CNC games every once in a while.
dumpsterlid 3y ago
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tobinfekkes 3y ago
I still play Total Annihilation. I am not a "gamer" and don't play any computer games anymore, but boy do I still love Total Annihilation. My cousin was a tester for Cavedog in the late 90s and gave us a copy before it was big. I still have some CDs! Love to see Beyond All Reason continuing the spirit.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
It feels like Starcraft 2 was the last traditional RTS; I suspect part of that is because other developers think their game wouldn't have a chance without competitive multiplayer as tight as SC2's. That said, there's still some RTS games in the indie space / on Steam, like Homeworld: Deserts of something. But that one was ultimately disappointing overall.

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Spellman 3y ago

I thought technically BAR is the OSS heir of Total Annihilation (which then Supreme Commander later developed). Only 2 sides, no unique Experimental units, etc. That being said, it's a great FOSS game and really captures the genre feel of epic scale.

paulddraper 3y ago
Yes, Supreme Commander, Beyond All Reason are cousins (and Planetary/Industrial Annihilation) -- all successors to TA. And there are the direct TA mods...Balanced Annihilation and TA: Escalation
- ffsm8 3y ago
  Part of that family is also the spring engine (zero-k and others)
Buttons840 3y ago
Each side has unique experimental units, not sure what you mean by that. But, as you say, there are 2 factions to play instead of the 4 you'd find in SupCom. A 3rd faction is being worked on though and can be used in multiplayer, but it's beta quality.

short_sells_poo 3y ago

I want to like BAR because it is so obviously made with passion and attention to detail but I can't get over how wonky the units look. I don't mean the quality, but the design. They don't look at all cool and I can't get the power fantasy of leading an army of killer robots. I feel like leading some random hodgepodge of guns mounted on trash cans.

Log_out_ 3y ago
You need distinct silhouettes more than cool powerfantasies while gaming
- short_sells_poo 3y ago
  If you are a sweaty tryhard I agree. But I personally want cool powerfantasies and big explosions while gaming, otherwise I could just as well play chess or go. To be clear, I'm not arguing against clear silhouettes, but the general unit design. The robots often just look wacky. Like the sumo thing is this lumbering trashcan that could as well be accompanied by a tuba soundtrack.