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Well my children are already destined to be slaves to the system with the current cost of living so personally I would buy a cheap Chinese car. Not that I want

by 14 3y ago

Well my children are already destined to be slaves to the system with the current cost of living so personally I would buy a cheap Chinese car. Not that I want to. I think it will be a good thing because then perhaps are home grown car manufacturers will see the writing and start offering affordable to the masses cars. We don’t need a thousand features in a car. Power windows, touch screens, self driving and every other tech that adds to the cost can take a bike. I just want a cheap bare bones electric car and local car manufacturers haven’t figured this out so I will risk Chinese bullets as I already have to choose when it comes to gas or higher quality food choices. Head of lettuce reaching $5 these days.

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
> We don’t need a thousand features in a car ... touch screens, .. tech that adds to the cost can take a bike. I just want a cheap bare bones electric car A touch screen plus software _is_ the cheap bare bones option, over having lots of physical dials and switches - The touch screen is commodity tablet hardware. Even though physical switches have much better usability, which means safety. Source: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/carmakers-must-bring-back-buttons-to-get-good-safety-scores-in-europe/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/carmakers-must-bring-ba...
nebula8804 3y ago
>We don’t need a thousand features in a car. Power windows, touch screens, self driving and every other tech that adds to the cost can take a bike. The BYD seagull has all this from what I understand? [1]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izvdO-zdlKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izvdO-zdlKg >I think it will be a good thing because then perhaps are home grown car manufacturers will see the writing and start offering affordable to the masses cars. With Tesla supposedly canceling Model 2, it seems like the incumbents cannot possibly offer this car at this price because of their cost structure (overhead due to unions, expensive real estate, regulations etc.)
- silverquiet 3y ago
  > because of their cost structure (overhead due to unions, expensive real estate, regulations etc.) I'm sure those are factors, but I wonder, what about having to provide private health insurance to employees? My employer says our costs went up 9% this year. I also wonder how much owners and executives are paid in Chinese car makers vs US. The leader and largest shareholder of Tesla is the richest man in the world (or perhaps was; I'm not sure of the current ranking). I don't know the name of any Chinese automotive leaders (though it's certainly possible that that's just my bias as an American). But I wonder how much of the cost structure is going to shareholders?
  - JetSpiegel 3y ago
    Musk is demanding more money from Tesla, saying his "salary" was too low for him to dedicate time to that venture. There is a lawsuit and all. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/business/tesla-elon-musk-pay-package.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/business/tesla-elon-musk-... 50 billion dollars of money that won't be invested in the company. Yeah, "unions, real estate, regulation", that's what stopping them.

by 14 3y ago

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago

> We don’t need a thousand features in a car ... touch screens, .. tech that adds to the cost can take a bike. I just want a cheap bare bones electric car A touch screen plus software _is_ the cheap bare bones option, over having lots of physical dials and switches - The touch screen is commodity tablet hardware. Even though physical switches have much better usability, which means safety. Source: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/carmakers-must-bring-back-buttons-to-get-good-safety-scores-in-europe/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/carmakers-must-bring-ba...

nebula8804 3y ago

>We don’t need a thousand features in a car. Power windows, touch screens, self driving and every other tech that adds to the cost can take a bike. The BYD seagull has all this from what I understand? [1]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izvdO-zdlKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izvdO-zdlKg >I think it will be a good thing because then perhaps are home grown car manufacturers will see the writing and start offering affordable to the masses cars. With Tesla supposedly canceling Model 2, it seems like the incumbents cannot possibly offer this car at this price because of their cost structure (overhead due to unions, expensive real estate, regulations etc.)

silverquiet 3y ago
> because of their cost structure (overhead due to unions, expensive real estate, regulations etc.) I'm sure those are factors, but I wonder, what about having to provide private health insurance to employees? My employer says our costs went up 9% this year. I also wonder how much owners and executives are paid in Chinese car makers vs US. The leader and largest shareholder of Tesla is the richest man in the world (or perhaps was; I'm not sure of the current ranking). I don't know the name of any Chinese automotive leaders (though it's certainly possible that that's just my bias as an American). But I wonder how much of the cost structure is going to shareholders?
- JetSpiegel 3y ago
  Musk is demanding more money from Tesla, saying his "salary" was too low for him to dedicate time to that venture. There is a lawsuit and all. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/business/tesla-elon-musk-pay-package.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/business/tesla-elon-musk-... 50 billion dollars of money that won't be invested in the company. Yeah, "unions, real estate, regulation", that's what stopping them.