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I really don't feel this. Arc was rough to start with, but the constant news has been consistent and steady improvements in driver reliability and performance.

by Latty 3y ago

I really don't feel this. Arc was rough to start with, but the constant news has been consistent and steady improvements in driver reliability and performance. I don't feel like the brand is tainted, people who are very invested will be following the news and knowing the state of things is improving, people who aren't will look up reviews when they go to buy and if the product is good, they won't care about the history. Especially given the current GPU market which is very lacking in competition, I don't see Intel being unable to sell GPUs if they can deliver. It isn't like the Radeon brand has a stellar history of software reliability either, but AMD have managed to mostly turn that around more recently.

PaulHoule 3y ago
If something goes on too long without progress it has to end. They waited way too long to make the third set of Star Wars movie to the point where the only people who cared were toxic fans. If they had some sense they would have made a Doctor Who movie instead because the casting would have been appropriate. Intel has burned me with numerous screw-ups such as two desktop replacement laptops I had where the "dual GPU" mode caused web browser malfunctions and the one way to make the system usable was to turn off the Intel "GPU". They found out everybody was doing this but instead of fixing the problem they just made it so you couldn't disable the iGPU. The same way Mozilla killed Pocket by trying to shove it up everybody's noses and Microsoft has killed numerous products (OneNote wasn't that bad but when you shove five icons for it on the desktop and on the toolbars you are not advertising it, you are anti-advertising it.) Intel GPUs have dragged my computers down for more than a decade and the one thing I want to hear is that they made a chip that doesn't waste a square micron of space on a GPU I don't want.
- Latty 3y ago
  I think treating products like GPUs and content like movies as the same is misleading, people are much more willing to accept a new release of a product is different, content is inherently more linked and connected, because one leads into the next. You may have a bad enough experience to never buy Intel, and certainly I've had bad Intel products, but I've also had bad AMD products and bad nVidia products. They have all released stinkers and people will buy if a new product is good by itself. Past experience matters, but I don't think they are anywhere near a dead brand with Arc. If anything, the fact they didn't just drop the brand and try again, abandoning all the customers who went with it, and have consistently improved the product gives me more faith in anything they release, because it's a signal they won't just drop it on the floor when there is an issue. If anything, I feel like Intel's bigger problem is CPUs where AMD's support of AM4 has been so good for people who bought into that ecosystem, it really hurts the value proposition of their new chips when they don't promise that kind of platform, but even there, there are a lot of people who will just judge each product as it is at released.
- epcoa 3y ago
  > They waited way too long to make the third set of Star Wars movie to the point where the only people who cared were toxic fans. This is one horrible irrelevant comparison after another, but this statement isn’t even true to start.

by Latty 3y ago

PaulHoule 3y ago

If something goes on too long without progress it has to end. They waited way too long to make the third set of Star Wars movie to the point where the only people who cared were toxic fans. If they had some sense they would have made a Doctor Who movie instead because the casting would have been appropriate. Intel has burned me with numerous screw-ups such as two desktop replacement laptops I had where the "dual GPU" mode caused web browser malfunctions and the one way to make the system usable was to turn off the Intel "GPU". They found out everybody was doing this but instead of fixing the problem they just made it so you couldn't disable the iGPU. The same way Mozilla killed Pocket by trying to shove it up everybody's noses and Microsoft has killed numerous products (OneNote wasn't that bad but when you shove five icons for it on the desktop and on the toolbars you are not advertising it, you are anti-advertising it.) Intel GPUs have dragged my computers down for more than a decade and the one thing I want to hear is that they made a chip that doesn't waste a square micron of space on a GPU I don't want.

Latty 3y ago
I think treating products like GPUs and content like movies as the same is misleading, people are much more willing to accept a new release of a product is different, content is inherently more linked and connected, because one leads into the next. You may have a bad enough experience to never buy Intel, and certainly I've had bad Intel products, but I've also had bad AMD products and bad nVidia products. They have all released stinkers and people will buy if a new product is good by itself. Past experience matters, but I don't think they are anywhere near a dead brand with Arc. If anything, the fact they didn't just drop the brand and try again, abandoning all the customers who went with it, and have consistently improved the product gives me more faith in anything they release, because it's a signal they won't just drop it on the floor when there is an issue. If anything, I feel like Intel's bigger problem is CPUs where AMD's support of AM4 has been so good for people who bought into that ecosystem, it really hurts the value proposition of their new chips when they don't promise that kind of platform, but even there, there are a lot of people who will just judge each product as it is at released.
epcoa 3y ago
> They waited way too long to make the third set of Star Wars movie to the point where the only people who cared were toxic fans. This is one horrible irrelevant comparison after another, but this statement isn’t even true to start.