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Yeah, having to buy something other than the Ford™ Giga-MAX EXTREME FREEDOM F150-THUNDERBOLT for 95k would be awful.

by tryptophan 3y ago

jhayward 3y ago
You mean like Ford's Mustang Mach-E, that starts at $40,000? I'm not sure what purpose the hyperbole serves here.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  If that's competitive why do they need a tariff?
- 0cVlTeIATBs 3y ago
  For comparison, BYD's are in the $10k range https://electrek.co/2024/03/06/byd-launches-cheaper-seagull-ev-9700-price/ https://electrek.co/2024/03/06/byd-launches-cheaper-seagull-...
  - adriancr 3y ago
    Those 10K range cars are much lower quality/battery/finish/size/etc... and that's before any shipping, taxes and likely adding any safety features required to adhere to rules to US/EU market.
    - aaomidi 3y ago
      > quality Hmm. Not sure I agree with you there. American cars aren’t particularly known for being high quality.
      - adriancr 3y ago
        That BYD is equivalent to a 23.5K dacia spring extreme... so similar quality can be had cheaper. American cars are much nicer (tesla?), or have better reputation then a recent foreign company with no accountability if they decide to pack up and leave customers stranded... Or if China decides to invade taiwan and get embargoed.
    - Cthulhu_ 3y ago
      August last year the cheapest BYD was €30K in the Netherlands: https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/byd-verlaagt-prijzen-aanzienlijk-en-haakt-in-op-prijzenoorlog/ https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/byd-verlaagt-prij... Given it's selling in NL it will meet EU safety standards, but granted, that's a far cry from €10K and still very far removed from affordable / budget.
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      - vancan1ty 3y ago
        Note that I think the BYD quote of 29 or 30k euros is including VAT [1] which is 21% in the Netherlands. On the other hand the quote given above as the starting price in the US for the Mach-E not include sales tax. In the Netherlands (trying to compare apples to apples), the Mach-E is being sold for €75200 [2]. Significant price gap in that market. [1] https://www.beev.co/en/electric-cars/marques/byd/byd-dolphin/ https://www.beev.co/en/electric-cars/marques/byd/byd-dolphin... [2] https://ev-database.org/nl/auto/2038/Ford-Mustang-Mach-E-GT https://ev-database.org/nl/auto/2038/Ford-Mustang-Mach-E-GT
        adriancr 3y ago
        You can get Mustang mach-e, basic for 46K (check ford.nl...), you are looking at the GT version there which is much much nicer compares to the 30k BYD. You can gey hyundai kona starting from 37k with 65kwh battery as opposed to byd 44kwh for 30k. So more value for money. Apples to Apples is Dacia Spring Extreme 44kwh for 23.5K with tax for same battery and features... much lower price then BYD

Yeah, having to buy something other than the Ford™ Giga-MAX EXTREME FREEDOM F150-THUNDERBOLT for 95k would be awful.

jhayward 3y ago

You mean like Ford's Mustang Mach-E, that starts at $40,000? I'm not sure what purpose the hyperbole serves here.

willcipriano 3y ago
If that's competitive why do they need a tariff?
0cVlTeIATBs 3y ago
For comparison, BYD's are in the $10k range https://electrek.co/2024/03/06/byd-launches-cheaper-seagull-ev-9700-price/ https://electrek.co/2024/03/06/byd-launches-cheaper-seagull-...
- adriancr 3y ago
  Those 10K range cars are much lower quality/battery/finish/size/etc... and that's before any shipping, taxes and likely adding any safety features required to adhere to rules to US/EU market.
  - aaomidi 3y ago
    > quality Hmm. Not sure I agree with you there. American cars aren’t particularly known for being high quality.
    - adriancr 3y ago
      That BYD is equivalent to a 23.5K dacia spring extreme... so similar quality can be had cheaper. American cars are much nicer (tesla?), or have better reputation then a recent foreign company with no accountability if they decide to pack up and leave customers stranded... Or if China decides to invade taiwan and get embargoed.
  - Cthulhu_ 3y ago
    August last year the cheapest BYD was €30K in the Netherlands: https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/byd-verlaagt-prijzen-aanzienlijk-en-haakt-in-op-prijzenoorlog/ https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/byd-verlaagt-prij... Given it's selling in NL it will meet EU safety standards, but granted, that's a far cry from €10K and still very far removed from affordable / budget.
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    - vancan1ty 3y ago
      Note that I think the BYD quote of 29 or 30k euros is including VAT [1] which is 21% in the Netherlands. On the other hand the quote given above as the starting price in the US for the Mach-E not include sales tax. In the Netherlands (trying to compare apples to apples), the Mach-E is being sold for €75200 [2]. Significant price gap in that market. [1] https://www.beev.co/en/electric-cars/marques/byd/byd-dolphin/ https://www.beev.co/en/electric-cars/marques/byd/byd-dolphin... [2] https://ev-database.org/nl/auto/2038/Ford-Mustang-Mach-E-GT https://ev-database.org/nl/auto/2038/Ford-Mustang-Mach-E-GT
      - adriancr 3y ago
        You can get Mustang mach-e, basic for 46K (check ford.nl...), you are looking at the GT version there which is much much nicer compares to the 30k BYD. You can gey hyundai kona starting from 37k with 65kwh battery as opposed to byd 44kwh for 30k. So more value for money. Apples to Apples is Dacia Spring Extreme 44kwh for 23.5K with tax for same battery and features... much lower price then BYD