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It's not really "whataboutism" in the context of the problem when you realize that we're locked in the same closed system as them. It's just absurd to think tha

It's not really "whataboutism" in the context of the problem when you realize that we're locked in the same closed system as them. It's just absurd to think that the younger generations are being told that if they want to enjoy a similar quality of life as their parents did, they are directly causing the destruction of the world, when in reality the sacrifices they are being asked to make are going to have the net effect of at best kicking the can down the road a few more years.

arghwhat 3y ago
It is whataboutism to complain about court action against a bad thing the basis that others, outside the court jurisdiction, will still do the bad thing. > are going to have the net effect of at best kicking the can down the road a few more years. All individual climate initiatives "kick the can down the road N more years" when viewed in isolation. What you need to look at is where the can started, and how to get people to keep kicking until it makes it all the way off the map. Phasing out CFCs kicked the can N years, phasing out HCFCs and HFCs kick it N more, tightening up emission regulations and not having individuals commute in 12 liter hemis with cat delete and coal rolling mods kick it N more, tightening up international shipping emissions another N years, etc.
morby 3y ago
It’s a multi generational issue. It’s not a question of fair when the repercussions for not addressing it are massive. Younger generations know this. It’s too bad older generations did nothing to address the issues they saw in front of them. They were too selfish I also think it’s preposterous to put climate change at their feet
ben_w 3y ago
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. The more steps you take towards any goal, the greater the fractional impact of each subsequent step. Reduction in greenhouse-gas emissions needs changes on par with: • "every nation must reduce all emissions to zero, except Ghana who can continue as-is": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous... • or "every source of emissions must be reduced to zero, except for the degradation of grassland which can continue as-is": https://ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissions-by-sector https://ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissions-by-sector

arghwhat 3y ago

It is whataboutism to complain about court action against a bad thing the basis that others, outside the court jurisdiction, will still do the bad thing. > are going to have the net effect of at best kicking the can down the road a few more years. All individual climate initiatives "kick the can down the road N more years" when viewed in isolation. What you need to look at is where the can started, and how to get people to keep kicking until it makes it all the way off the map. Phasing out CFCs kicked the can N years, phasing out HCFCs and HFCs kick it N more, tightening up emission regulations and not having individuals commute in 12 liter hemis with cat delete and coal rolling mods kick it N more, tightening up international shipping emissions another N years, etc.

morby 3y ago

It’s a multi generational issue. It’s not a question of fair when the repercussions for not addressing it are massive. Younger generations know this. It’s too bad older generations did nothing to address the issues they saw in front of them. They were too selfish I also think it’s preposterous to put climate change at their feet

ben_w 3y ago

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. The more steps you take towards any goal, the greater the fractional impact of each subsequent step. Reduction in greenhouse-gas emissions needs changes on par with: • "every nation must reduce all emissions to zero, except Ghana who can continue as-is": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous... • or "every source of emissions must be reduced to zero, except for the degradation of grassland which can continue as-is": https://ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissions-by-sector https://ourworldindata.org/ghg-emissions-by-sector