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>b) Last time I looked on the map, India was not in Europe. There is an international court of human rights. How often was India found guilty there? >Either y

>b) Last time I looked on the map, India was not in Europe. There is an international court of human rights. How often was India found guilty there? >Either you're arguing in bad faith, or you don't understand that this might help pushing governments to take stricter measures. I am 100% convinced that there is nothing which makes you object more to climate protection than a foreign entity trying to compel the government you control to "do more". And even if. When will India/China act? How many International court of human rights ruling will that take?

antientropic 3y ago
> There is an international court of human rights. There isn't. There is the ICJ, which handles disputes between states, and the ICC, which handles war crimes etc. and definitely isn't going to judge climate legislation.
ben_w 3y ago
> There is an international court of human rights. How often was India found guilty there? The International Criminal Court is not the European Court of Human Rights. The ICC appears to be focused on crimes against humanity, and I'm not a lawyer so I'd be even worse than ChatGPT at figuring out if climate change would be under that banner. India is neither a state party, nor a signatory, to the ICC, so (again, IANAL) I assume that means they can't be taken before it. > When will India/China act? They already are, because despite the memes the problem itself is directly relevant to both, and the solution happens to be a cheap export opportunity and soft power projection opportunity for one, and a subsidised cheap economy growth opportunity for the other.
tgv 3y ago
It's not a "foreign entity." Switzerland has signed a treaty in which they recognize that court. The trial was brought by Swiss people. > When will India/China act? First, China has made promises, and have acted a bit. But we, the people, don't hold leverage over China nor India, so it will be on their citizens to achieve any progress, or on international powers to apply sanctions. But international politics is extremely slow and change averse, so probably the 2C limit will have become unavoidable by the time that happens. But above all: this decision does not depend on China nor India. It's totally irrelevant to object to it by appealing to those countries.

antientropic 3y ago

> There is an international court of human rights. There isn't. There is the ICJ, which handles disputes between states, and the ICC, which handles war crimes etc. and definitely isn't going to judge climate legislation.

ben_w 3y ago

> There is an international court of human rights. How often was India found guilty there? The International Criminal Court is not the European Court of Human Rights. The ICC appears to be focused on crimes against humanity, and I'm not a lawyer so I'd be even worse than ChatGPT at figuring out if climate change would be under that banner. India is neither a state party, nor a signatory, to the ICC, so (again, IANAL) I assume that means they can't be taken before it. > When will India/China act? They already are, because despite the memes the problem itself is directly relevant to both, and the solution happens to be a cheap export opportunity and soft power projection opportunity for one, and a subsidised cheap economy growth opportunity for the other.

tgv 3y ago

It's not a "foreign entity." Switzerland has signed a treaty in which they recognize that court. The trial was brought by Swiss people. > When will India/China act? First, China has made promises, and have acted a bit. But we, the people, don't hold leverage over China nor India, so it will be on their citizens to achieve any progress, or on international powers to apply sanctions. But international politics is extremely slow and change averse, so probably the 2C limit will have become unavoidable by the time that happens. But above all: this decision does not depend on China nor India. It's totally irrelevant to object to it by appealing to those countries.