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> Oh, and the fact that Vaxry slagged off Lyude publicly in his blog for good-faith enforcement of the code of conduct From what I see they both slagged each o

> Oh, and the fact that Vaxry slagged off Lyude publicly in his blog for good-faith enforcement of the code of conduct From what I see they both slagged each other. Again though, I'm asking for where's the spreading of hate.

bitwize 2y ago
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- neonsunset 2y ago
  This email is a very good demonstration on why you don't negotiate with terrorists or politburo representatives. They have gotten where they are exactly because they enjoy abusing the power given to them. Pleading your case before them is to just give them amusement. They will spit on the work you carefully worked on throughout the years and celebrate that. Thus, you don't negotiate. Instead, you go to their higher-ups and highlight that the company's resources are being misappropriated for petty squabbles and personal tilting at windmills. Though sadly nowadays it has gotten way more difficult, because a greater portion of bureaucratic, community and HR positions in the companies are captured, so when the damage is noticed, it may already be too late.
- pests 2y ago
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  - bitwize 2y ago
    No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR. Something that historically hasn't been done, resulting in a chilling effect on contributions from decent people, especially those from marginalized groups. That's changing. You can fulminate about trans people all you like in the quiet of your own home, but if you harass or intimidate them in a publicly viewable way, there will be consequences. And when a code of conduct board member for a project approaches you and tells you you need to do better, any response other than "Yes, sir/ma'am/other, I will do better" is grounds for questioning whether you should be permitted to contribute further to the project.
    - midnight2 2y ago
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      - jdiff 2y ago
        Normal people aren't raging transphobes and won't tolerate your presence as you make others feel unwelcome. You'll find that out eventually.
        midnight2 2y ago
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    - DarkByte8 2y ago
      The more you talk the more people will avoid you and people like you. You are not holding people accountable you are having a power trip and enacting vengeance on perceived transgressions. He did not harass anyone and for past transgression he apologize but the CoC board member felt like he needed a power trip. People like you should be held far away from any position of power.
    - ChocolateGod 2y ago
      > No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR Someone has been held accountable for their behaviour and apologised, it doesn't mean they're forever in your debt and on a chain.
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  - throwaway_62022 2y ago
    So, whatever is posted publicly on "polite" forums about what was going on Hyprland discord is tip of the iceberg. See for yourself - https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq Hyprland discord appears to be a cesspool and one fermented by Vaxry himself, trans hate or otherwise. Now some people are saying - they have improved (and others are saying they have not). But reading his blog posts and seeing current status, I am not optimistic. I mean you can't make this stuff up. Why use a opensource discord community for sharing porn? (which likely have minors).
    - midnight2 2y ago
      So? Is xe a discord moderator? Are you? Stay out of other people's business. What they say and do in their discord server has nothing to do with code contributions an owner of the server makes.
- 2bit_newbit 2y ago
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bitwize 2y ago

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neonsunset 2y ago
This email is a very good demonstration on why you don't negotiate with terrorists or politburo representatives. They have gotten where they are exactly because they enjoy abusing the power given to them. Pleading your case before them is to just give them amusement. They will spit on the work you carefully worked on throughout the years and celebrate that. Thus, you don't negotiate. Instead, you go to their higher-ups and highlight that the company's resources are being misappropriated for petty squabbles and personal tilting at windmills. Though sadly nowadays it has gotten way more difficult, because a greater portion of bureaucratic, community and HR positions in the companies are captured, so when the damage is noticed, it may already be too late.
pests 2y ago
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- bitwize 2y ago
  No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR. Something that historically hasn't been done, resulting in a chilling effect on contributions from decent people, especially those from marginalized groups. That's changing. You can fulminate about trans people all you like in the quiet of your own home, but if you harass or intimidate them in a publicly viewable way, there will be consequences. And when a code of conduct board member for a project approaches you and tells you you need to do better, any response other than "Yes, sir/ma'am/other, I will do better" is grounds for questioning whether you should be permitted to contribute further to the project.
  - midnight2 2y ago
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    - jdiff 2y ago
      Normal people aren't raging transphobes and won't tolerate your presence as you make others feel unwelcome. You'll find that out eventually.
      - midnight2 2y ago
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  - DarkByte8 2y ago
    The more you talk the more people will avoid you and people like you. You are not holding people accountable you are having a power trip and enacting vengeance on perceived transgressions. He did not harass anyone and for past transgression he apologize but the CoC board member felt like he needed a power trip. People like you should be held far away from any position of power.
  - ChocolateGod 2y ago
    > No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR Someone has been held accountable for their behaviour and apologised, it doesn't mean they're forever in your debt and on a chain.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- throwaway_62022 2y ago
  So, whatever is posted publicly on "polite" forums about what was going on Hyprland discord is tip of the iceberg. See for yourself - https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq Hyprland discord appears to be a cesspool and one fermented by Vaxry himself, trans hate or otherwise. Now some people are saying - they have improved (and others are saying they have not). But reading his blog posts and seeing current status, I am not optimistic. I mean you can't make this stuff up. Why use a opensource discord community for sharing porn? (which likely have minors).
  - midnight2 2y ago
    So? Is xe a discord moderator? Are you? Stay out of other people's business. What they say and do in their discord server has nothing to do with code contributions an owner of the server makes.
2bit_newbit 2y ago
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