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I was targeted in the Westminster honeytrap

13 points by keepamovin 3y ago

keepamovin 3y ago
"Yeah but you are clearly the same person as yesterday," I said. At this point Abi appeared to admit that she was indeed Charlie. "I was sad you blocked me," she said. I twice asked Abi "who are you?", getting no clear response, before she replied: "What are you expecting me to say? I was horny and I messaged you. That's kind of it." For want of a better phrase, I was now really creeped out. I blocked Abi again. But I was surprised by how violating it felt to have someone being so strange to me over my phone. Omg, it's all playing on male psychology and sexuality. It's pretty fuckin predatory.
- Festro 3y ago
  Did you expect some tamer form of extortion?
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Huh, but what I'm saying is it's surprising to target male sexuality and psychology. And it's predatory.
    - Festro 3y ago
      Why is that surprising? And all extortion methods are predatory by their very nature.
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        Huh, but what I’m saying is it’s predatory to target male psychology and sexuality.
        RugnirViking 3y ago
        well yes. I'm a bit confused what you're suprised about. We're talking about a major case of extortion. Extortion is indeed extremely predatory. The whole point is that you do something so deeply unpleasant that the other person is forced to do what you want. So yes, it involved deeply unpleasant methods.
        keepamovin 3y ago
        I guess I'm just surprised that people can be so awful and target you when you're vulnerable in your most intimate interactions and psychology. But I feel this whole line of questioning around "why surprising? why special?" sounds like it wants to dismiss or diminish how bad this is. Is that commenters like yourself and Festro are intending? Are you guys trying to normalize this? I think it's wrong to not be surprised. To hold onto morality and expect things should be different! Haha :)
    - pringk02 3y ago
      Hardly surprising at all. It's one of the oldest tricks in spycraft.
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        Spies, liars and scammers. Thick as thieves it seems. I think it is surprising that people can be so bad, and abusive. It sounds like you want to say it's not so bad afterall. Is that your intention?
    - FerretFred 3y ago
      It also relies on the targets being gormless - no shortage of that in our MPs (leaders - I hate to use that term).
      - hugh-avherald 3y ago
        Everyone has gormless moments.
        blitzar 3y ago
        Not everyone has top secret clearence and likes to compromise themselves whenever the oportunity presents itself.
        keepamovin 3y ago
        True. But Whitehall/Westminster has frequently been a den of iniquity, that's no surprise, right? At least to some extent. But most MPs do not have security clearances at the SC or DV (security check or developed vetting) levels unless their roles necessitate it. UK clearances are different to US. Being an MP in itself does not require access to classified information.
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        I guess so, but I mean, believing in love and happiness and ... sex... is not gormless? I mean the quoted interaction is a pretty low bar. Probably a lot more sophisticated lies that happen. Just awful that you can't trust people like that, in your intimate moments you can't trust, when you're supposed to be able to. I don't think that's about gormless, I think that's about other people being awful. These liars and scammers.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
  Yeah that is the "honey" part of the trap. Slightly different than e.g. an ssh honey pot
- K0balt 3y ago
  That’s pretty much standard practice for espionage and extortion, at least during the last few centuries, and probably more. Men are known to be vulnerable to these kind of manipulation attacks, and the exploit is common in the wild. Since production support on humanity was EOL before written history, it hasn’t been patched. We are unfortunately stuck with whatever we can patch together based on reverse engineering the product and hacking in what we can sort out. It doesn’t help that forking and pull requests are total chaos, and there is zero consensus as to what represents the current build, much less the SOTA. It’s so common, in fact, for people to get together in pairs or small groups for recreational forking that the current builds are now in the billions, with no version control whatsoever. It’s just total damn chaos.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Hahaha, yeah man. Totally! Hahah! :)
theGeatZhopa 3y ago
Just ask to send a quick selfie with the nose being hold like it stinks with the hand while doing rotating with the other hand over one's head. * * The trick is here to realize that WhatsApp is mostly used with a mobile (especially when horny writing..) and you can't make a selfie where you need both hands. You need to put your phone aside with a timer or find other solutions. That takes time, needs a few tries for "where to put..", *does it look good..." Etc.. And you'll see it afterwards in the pic sent. If it's generated, then you'll pretty fast get a reply with a selfie where both hands are doing exactly like wanted.. Thank me later. Bye.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Yeah this "pose photo" idea is a good way to quickly vet if people are real -- or at least it was before AI!!!
  - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
    Now you have to ask for something "impossible" like using two hands to do sth (implying, still needing the mobile with one of the hands and no one had three of them) if it's a scam, they may be just put it in Generative without questioning. If it's a real human, there might be a response "how should I do that with two hands? photoing with the third??" or it takes a while, because it's an unpreparable, surprising situation. So the camera will be re-put to different positions, with checks how the photo looks like and eventual re-doings, because the photo looks like s*iat. Generative would deliver without questioning in perfect quality within a few seconds. Just like when one writes you "just woke up. Still on bed" and you demand a photo and get one sent, showing perfectly makeupped beautiful face - "SO, WHEN EXACTLY DID YOU HAVE TIME TO PUT MAKEUP ON?" the face
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Ok but they could just ask a friend to take the picture. Doesn't have to be really that hard haha! :)
      - 3y ago
blitzar 3y ago
That this "honeytrap" worked so easily really says a lot about the low calibre of people holding high office. If you offer up a nude selfie to someone who texted you 10 minutes prior or just matched with on grindr, you are not qualified to write, review or even vote on legislation for the country.
- appplication 3y ago
  In an alternative world we just stop giving so many shits about nude selfies. Someone messages you and sends you a nude selfie in 10 minutes and you feel like sending one back? If everyone is of age, then who cares. Just two freaky people being freaky. Even if one is likely not who they represent, that’s not a knock on the victim. The fact that nudity and sex drive is stigmatized is the very thing that empowers these scammers.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    That's a solution too I suppose, but, ah...harder to get to for the whole society than just punishing scammers. Although if you can give yourself that attitude it's probably pretty empowering haha! :) Nothing to hide, nothing can be used to blackmail you with. But, I wonder how that will work going forward with AI generated photos? Suppose it could cut both ways. Like, if you're okay with everything in your life, nothing can be used to blackmail you with -- but what about fake stuff, that people lie about, could that still be used to pressure you? Maybe, maybe not -- depends on the person I suppose. Not for me, I don't think anyone could get to me with lies, and i don't have anything to hide. But I'm more like what you're talking about: self empowered attitude. It's not for everybody perhaps, but works for me. Hahahaha! :)
- vba616 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger_game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger_game I am now learning that: "A famous person known to have fallen victim of the scheme was the first United States Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton%E2%80%93Reynolds_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton%E2%80%93Reynolds_affa...

13 points by keepamovin 3y ago

"Yeah but you are clearly the same person as yesterday," I said. At this point Abi appeared to admit that she was indeed Charlie. "I was sad you blocked me," she said. I twice asked Abi "who are you?", getting no clear response, before she replied: "What are you expecting me to say? I was horny and I messaged you. That's kind of it." For want of a better phrase, I was now really creeped out. I blocked Abi again. But I was surprised by how violating it felt to have someone being so strange to me over my phone. Omg, it's all playing on male psychology and sexuality. It's pretty fuckin predatory.

Festro 3y ago
Did you expect some tamer form of extortion?
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Huh, but what I'm saying is it's surprising to target male sexuality and psychology. And it's predatory.
  - Festro 3y ago
    Why is that surprising? And all extortion methods are predatory by their very nature.
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Huh, but what I’m saying is it’s predatory to target male psychology and sexuality.
      - RugnirViking 3y ago
        well yes. I'm a bit confused what you're suprised about. We're talking about a major case of extortion. Extortion is indeed extremely predatory. The whole point is that you do something so deeply unpleasant that the other person is forced to do what you want. So yes, it involved deeply unpleasant methods.
        keepamovin 3y ago
        I guess I'm just surprised that people can be so awful and target you when you're vulnerable in your most intimate interactions and psychology. But I feel this whole line of questioning around "why surprising? why special?" sounds like it wants to dismiss or diminish how bad this is. Is that commenters like yourself and Festro are intending? Are you guys trying to normalize this? I think it's wrong to not be surprised. To hold onto morality and expect things should be different! Haha :)
  - pringk02 3y ago
    Hardly surprising at all. It's one of the oldest tricks in spycraft.
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Spies, liars and scammers. Thick as thieves it seems. I think it is surprising that people can be so bad, and abusive. It sounds like you want to say it's not so bad afterall. Is that your intention?
  - FerretFred 3y ago
    It also relies on the targets being gormless - no shortage of that in our MPs (leaders - I hate to use that term).
    - hugh-avherald 3y ago
      Everyone has gormless moments.
      - blitzar 3y ago
        Not everyone has top secret clearence and likes to compromise themselves whenever the oportunity presents itself.
        keepamovin 3y ago
        True. But Whitehall/Westminster has frequently been a den of iniquity, that's no surprise, right? At least to some extent. But most MPs do not have security clearances at the SC or DV (security check or developed vetting) levels unless their roles necessitate it. UK clearances are different to US. Being an MP in itself does not require access to classified information.
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      I guess so, but I mean, believing in love and happiness and ... sex... is not gormless? I mean the quoted interaction is a pretty low bar. Probably a lot more sophisticated lies that happen. Just awful that you can't trust people like that, in your intimate moments you can't trust, when you're supposed to be able to. I don't think that's about gormless, I think that's about other people being awful. These liars and scammers.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
Yeah that is the "honey" part of the trap. Slightly different than e.g. an ssh honey pot
K0balt 3y ago
That’s pretty much standard practice for espionage and extortion, at least during the last few centuries, and probably more. Men are known to be vulnerable to these kind of manipulation attacks, and the exploit is common in the wild. Since production support on humanity was EOL before written history, it hasn’t been patched. We are unfortunately stuck with whatever we can patch together based on reverse engineering the product and hacking in what we can sort out. It doesn’t help that forking and pull requests are total chaos, and there is zero consensus as to what represents the current build, much less the SOTA. It’s so common, in fact, for people to get together in pairs or small groups for recreational forking that the current builds are now in the billions, with no version control whatsoever. It’s just total damn chaos.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Hahaha, yeah man. Totally! Hahah! :)

theGeatZhopa 3y ago

Just ask to send a quick selfie with the nose being hold like it stinks with the hand while doing rotating with the other hand over one's head. * * The trick is here to realize that WhatsApp is mostly used with a mobile (especially when horny writing..) and you can't make a selfie where you need both hands. You need to put your phone aside with a timer or find other solutions. That takes time, needs a few tries for "where to put..", *does it look good..." Etc.. And you'll see it afterwards in the pic sent. If it's generated, then you'll pretty fast get a reply with a selfie where both hands are doing exactly like wanted.. Thank me later. Bye.

keepamovin 3y ago
Yeah this "pose photo" idea is a good way to quickly vet if people are real -- or at least it was before AI!!!
- theGeatZhopa 3y ago
  Now you have to ask for something "impossible" like using two hands to do sth (implying, still needing the mobile with one of the hands and no one had three of them) if it's a scam, they may be just put it in Generative without questioning. If it's a real human, there might be a response "how should I do that with two hands? photoing with the third??" or it takes a while, because it's an unpreparable, surprising situation. So the camera will be re-put to different positions, with checks how the photo looks like and eventual re-doings, because the photo looks like s*iat. Generative would deliver without questioning in perfect quality within a few seconds. Just like when one writes you "just woke up. Still on bed" and you demand a photo and get one sent, showing perfectly makeupped beautiful face - "SO, WHEN EXACTLY DID YOU HAVE TIME TO PUT MAKEUP ON?" the face
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Ok but they could just ask a friend to take the picture. Doesn't have to be really that hard haha! :)
    - 3y ago

blitzar 3y ago

That this "honeytrap" worked so easily really says a lot about the low calibre of people holding high office. If you offer up a nude selfie to someone who texted you 10 minutes prior or just matched with on grindr, you are not qualified to write, review or even vote on legislation for the country.

appplication 3y ago
In an alternative world we just stop giving so many shits about nude selfies. Someone messages you and sends you a nude selfie in 10 minutes and you feel like sending one back? If everyone is of age, then who cares. Just two freaky people being freaky. Even if one is likely not who they represent, that’s not a knock on the victim. The fact that nudity and sex drive is stigmatized is the very thing that empowers these scammers.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  That's a solution too I suppose, but, ah...harder to get to for the whole society than just punishing scammers. Although if you can give yourself that attitude it's probably pretty empowering haha! :) Nothing to hide, nothing can be used to blackmail you with. But, I wonder how that will work going forward with AI generated photos? Suppose it could cut both ways. Like, if you're okay with everything in your life, nothing can be used to blackmail you with -- but what about fake stuff, that people lie about, could that still be used to pressure you? Maybe, maybe not -- depends on the person I suppose. Not for me, I don't think anyone could get to me with lies, and i don't have anything to hide. But I'm more like what you're talking about: self empowered attitude. It's not for everybody perhaps, but works for me. Hahahaha! :)
vba616 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger_game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger_game I am now learning that: "A famous person known to have fallen victim of the scheme was the first United States Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton%E2%80%93Reynolds_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton%E2%80%93Reynolds_affa...