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Yeah, it's the kind of case where it's hard to decide between putting them in jail or giving them some kind of award. Possibly both.

by Yoric 3y ago

shiroiushi 3y ago
Definitely jail. These low-income losers should be punished as strongly as possible, to make an example out of them. It's too bad the Bay Area can't just round up all low-income trash people who can't afford $5M+ homes and ship them off to far-away concentration camps, but until that's legal, they should do everything in their power to keep these useless people out. Whatever useless low-income jobs they were doing, these people don't belong among the people of the Bay Area. Restaurant cooks, janitors, supermarket workers, schoolteachers, firefighters, all these kinds of people are low-income trash and should be pushed out, and the Bay Area will be better off without them around.
- Two4 3y ago
  </s> ⬅ here, you forgot your closing tag
  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    Interestingly, I actually do wish all these lower-income workers would leave the Bay Area (or at least the highest-priced parts): I'd love to see how all the NIMBYs fare without any supermarkets, restaurants, schools, or firefighters.
    - infotainment 3y ago
      Oh they’d do fine — don’t worry, those low income people just love to spend hours and hours commuting from the Central Valley. Their lives will become worse, but not the NIMBYs!
    - firstplacelast 3y ago
      I would love to just see a hyperlocal minimum wage set in CA that's tied to housing prices. Live in enclaves with an average home of 10M dollars, your house cleaner will need to be paid $500/hour type thing.
      - shiroiushi 3y ago
        What I'd like to do is pass a state law that requires employers to pay commuting costs for their employees, plus only allow up to one hour of unpaid commuting. So, suppose the only people applying for your job live 2 hours away. You'll have to pay 1) the federal mileage rate ($0.50/mile??) (or better yet, an even higher state rate to account for higher costs of car ownership there), or buy the employee a company car, for their commute time, and 2) the employee will get paid for 3 hours of commuting time, and only have to actually work 5 hours on-site (but getting paid for 8), so you'll have to hire another employee to cover the time difference. These people living in 10M homes should be paying $500 per plate to eat at a restaurant and $20/gallon for milk from the supermarket. And yes, $500/hr for the house cleaner. Here in Tokyo, it's normal (maybe legally required?) for employers to pay for employees' commuting costs. Of course, since the best public transit system in the world is here, a commuting pass doesn't cost that much.
        drewzero1 3y ago
        The hopelessly optimistic side of me thinks this might be just the thing we need to spur massive improvements in mass transit, when big employers discover that it's cheaper to chip in for some commuter light rail than it is to pay everyone to sit in traffic. Realistically I don't think it'll happen, but I can dream.
        shiroiushi 3y ago
        Mass transit is horribly expensive, not just to build, but to operate too. Because of this, it requires high density to really work. You can't just slap some light rail lines into a giant suburban US city and expect it to work out somehow. Even here in Tokyo, with hundreds of train/subway stations all over the metro area, you frequently have to do a significant amount of walking (or even cycling) in between the nearest station and your actual destination. And don't forget all the stairs: subway stations are frequently quite deep, and have long staircases to get in and out. (There's many escalators and elevators, but they're not always that conveniently located.) It's a completely different culture that most Americans will not desire nor put up with. Mass transit isn't some kind of utopian panacea where a nice train will take you right to your employer or shopping destination or home. It all works here because the city was built densely to begin with, and because they made the smart decision back in the 60s, when it looked like car culture was going to take over, of revamping the zoning laws and permitting the construction of housing just about anywhere, which made it more profitable to build housing and other buildings than parking lots, which made it extremely inconvenient to use a car.
- swang 3y ago
  the main dude was probably making more than your average software engineer: $235,000. regardless wasn't exactly broke or down on his luck. he just didn't want to sell his home in socal and find an apartment up here.
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- zer00eyz 3y ago
  >> Definitely jail.... Well that's one way to try and make the point. The funny thing is there is a long history of the bay having art predict its own downfall. Mostly with imported talent at that. Thompson was probably the first. He has some choice quotes about the 60's and high water marks. And riding a bike to Oakland high... But this round falls squarely to Willam Gibson.... He pegged the class and culture fall out of corporations. He picked the wrong part of Asia as a motif but was close there. He nailed the homeless camps but had them a bit east on an abandon bay bridge. You could make this same statement, and make it standing on the shoulder of a giant. It could be far more effective and resonant. Go read some Gibson, it will blow your mind ;)
  - xyzzy123 3y ago
    GP is completely on-point, you just have to read the post in Jello Biafra's voice.
- tomjakubowski 3y ago
  One of the guys was deputy director at Caltrain. Very doubtful he had "low income". And he was siphoning public funds to do it, for his own benefit, something which actually does hurt people with low incomes.
- infecto 3y ago
  $230+k is low-income?
chucksta 3y ago
Definitely earned their place leading some internal jail improvement programs
fortran77 3y ago
It’s not ok to steal public funds. It’s sad that you think that merits a reward.
Y_Y 3y ago
Reminds me of the opening of the Suez Canal, where a British naval ship did something that obviously pleased the admiralty but which they were obliged to condemn. > As the time approached for the ships to ceremoneously enter the new canal for the first time, the contingent of British ships were second to the French in the congested approach. Captain Nares had difficulty accepting this positioning, and so, during the night and without using lights, he maneuvered Newport forward into an inextricable position in front of the French yacht accorded the honor of entering the canal first. The French were understandably upset, and protested to the Admiralty. Captain George Nares received an official reprimand from the Admiralty, but was, apparently, the object of great admiration for his clever actions, and was questioned at length about how the feat was accomplished. From https://web.archive.org/web/20151009025658/http://aquarium.ucsd.edu/Education/Learning_Resources/Challenger/people1.php https://web.archive.org/web/20151009025658/http://aquarium.u...

Yeah, it's the kind of case where it's hard to decide between putting them in jail or giving them some kind of award. Possibly both.

by Yoric 3y ago

Yeah, it's the kind of case where it's hard to decide between putting them in jail or giving them some kind of award. Possibly both.

shiroiushi 3y ago

Definitely jail. These low-income losers should be punished as strongly as possible, to make an example out of them. It's too bad the Bay Area can't just round up all low-income trash people who can't afford $5M+ homes and ship them off to far-away concentration camps, but until that's legal, they should do everything in their power to keep these useless people out. Whatever useless low-income jobs they were doing, these people don't belong among the people of the Bay Area. Restaurant cooks, janitors, supermarket workers, schoolteachers, firefighters, all these kinds of people are low-income trash and should be pushed out, and the Bay Area will be better off without them around.

Two4 3y ago
</s> ⬅ here, you forgot your closing tag
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  Interestingly, I actually do wish all these lower-income workers would leave the Bay Area (or at least the highest-priced parts): I'd love to see how all the NIMBYs fare without any supermarkets, restaurants, schools, or firefighters.
  - infotainment 3y ago
    Oh they’d do fine — don’t worry, those low income people just love to spend hours and hours commuting from the Central Valley. Their lives will become worse, but not the NIMBYs!
  - firstplacelast 3y ago
    I would love to just see a hyperlocal minimum wage set in CA that's tied to housing prices. Live in enclaves with an average home of 10M dollars, your house cleaner will need to be paid $500/hour type thing.
    - shiroiushi 3y ago
      What I'd like to do is pass a state law that requires employers to pay commuting costs for their employees, plus only allow up to one hour of unpaid commuting. So, suppose the only people applying for your job live 2 hours away. You'll have to pay 1) the federal mileage rate ($0.50/mile??) (or better yet, an even higher state rate to account for higher costs of car ownership there), or buy the employee a company car, for their commute time, and 2) the employee will get paid for 3 hours of commuting time, and only have to actually work 5 hours on-site (but getting paid for 8), so you'll have to hire another employee to cover the time difference. These people living in 10M homes should be paying $500 per plate to eat at a restaurant and $20/gallon for milk from the supermarket. And yes, $500/hr for the house cleaner. Here in Tokyo, it's normal (maybe legally required?) for employers to pay for employees' commuting costs. Of course, since the best public transit system in the world is here, a commuting pass doesn't cost that much.
      - drewzero1 3y ago
        The hopelessly optimistic side of me thinks this might be just the thing we need to spur massive improvements in mass transit, when big employers discover that it's cheaper to chip in for some commuter light rail than it is to pay everyone to sit in traffic. Realistically I don't think it'll happen, but I can dream.
        shiroiushi 3y ago
        Mass transit is horribly expensive, not just to build, but to operate too. Because of this, it requires high density to really work. You can't just slap some light rail lines into a giant suburban US city and expect it to work out somehow. Even here in Tokyo, with hundreds of train/subway stations all over the metro area, you frequently have to do a significant amount of walking (or even cycling) in between the nearest station and your actual destination. And don't forget all the stairs: subway stations are frequently quite deep, and have long staircases to get in and out. (There's many escalators and elevators, but they're not always that conveniently located.) It's a completely different culture that most Americans will not desire nor put up with. Mass transit isn't some kind of utopian panacea where a nice train will take you right to your employer or shopping destination or home. It all works here because the city was built densely to begin with, and because they made the smart decision back in the 60s, when it looked like car culture was going to take over, of revamping the zoning laws and permitting the construction of housing just about anywhere, which made it more profitable to build housing and other buildings than parking lots, which made it extremely inconvenient to use a car.
swang 3y ago
the main dude was probably making more than your average software engineer: $235,000. regardless wasn't exactly broke or down on his luck. he just didn't want to sell his home in socal and find an apartment up here.
- deleted 3y ago
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zer00eyz 3y ago
>> Definitely jail.... Well that's one way to try and make the point. The funny thing is there is a long history of the bay having art predict its own downfall. Mostly with imported talent at that. Thompson was probably the first. He has some choice quotes about the 60's and high water marks. And riding a bike to Oakland high... But this round falls squarely to Willam Gibson.... He pegged the class and culture fall out of corporations. He picked the wrong part of Asia as a motif but was close there. He nailed the homeless camps but had them a bit east on an abandon bay bridge. You could make this same statement, and make it standing on the shoulder of a giant. It could be far more effective and resonant. Go read some Gibson, it will blow your mind ;)
- xyzzy123 3y ago
  GP is completely on-point, you just have to read the post in Jello Biafra's voice.
tomjakubowski 3y ago
One of the guys was deputy director at Caltrain. Very doubtful he had "low income". And he was siphoning public funds to do it, for his own benefit, something which actually does hurt people with low incomes.
infecto 3y ago
$230+k is low-income?

chucksta 3y ago

Definitely earned their place leading some internal jail improvement programs

fortran77 3y ago

It’s not ok to steal public funds. It’s sad that you think that merits a reward.

Y_Y 3y ago

Reminds me of the opening of the Suez Canal, where a British naval ship did something that obviously pleased the admiralty but which they were obliged to condemn. > As the time approached for the ships to ceremoneously enter the new canal for the first time, the contingent of British ships were second to the French in the congested approach. Captain Nares had difficulty accepting this positioning, and so, during the night and without using lights, he maneuvered Newport forward into an inextricable position in front of the French yacht accorded the honor of entering the canal first. The French were understandably upset, and protested to the Admiralty. Captain George Nares received an official reprimand from the Admiralty, but was, apparently, the object of great admiration for his clever actions, and was questioned at length about how the feat was accomplished. From https://web.archive.org/web/20151009025658/http://aquarium.ucsd.edu/Education/Learning_Resources/Challenger/people1.php https://web.archive.org/web/20151009025658/http://aquarium.u...