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> Musk decided to comply. Even self proclaimed free speech absolutist from the land of free speech can not fight this. He has always been explicit in saying th

> Musk decided to comply. Even self proclaimed free speech absolutist from the land of free speech can not fight this. He has always been explicit in saying that he will protect _legal_ speech and would remove _illegal_ content. He always conceded that relevant laws can and will change, and finds this an acceptable and democratic way to moderate public discourse.

thiagoharry 3y ago
Except that the contents banned in Brazil were illegal content. Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation. The Brazilian electoral laws forbids spending in secret for the purpose of buying or making propaganda for electoral campaign and also regulate what is allowed in the elections. For example: spending to propagate fake news to manipulate elections is not allowed.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  Fake news... Such as the fact Lula is a socialist and a communist? I have videos of him calling himself a socialist, that should be good enough proof for anyone. Yet the judges censored it as fake news before election day. Care to comment on that? How about the fact he appointed a communist to the supreme court to act as a judge? I believe his words were something along the lines of "we finally have a communist in the supreme court". You're gonna gaslight me by claiming that's fake? Maybe AI generated? Some guy asked this new judge point blank if he was a communist, I remember his reply was "thank god", as in, absolutely. But according to the authorities it's all a conspiracy theory and there is no communism anywhere in this nation, right? It's all fake. Fake news... Such as the fact Lula is friends with the Venezuelan dictator? You know, the guy the US charged with narco-terrorism? Fake news, right? Lula wouldn't be so brazen as to literally roll out the red carpet for this guy immediately after the election, would he? He totally did though. Must have been seeing things I guess. Yeah that must be it. I literally hallucinated the entire episode. Fake news... Such as the fact Lula was implicated in, convicted of and incarcerated for the biggest corruption scandal in the history of this country? And also the fact these judges just threw out the whole case on some minor technicality? Pulled him straight out of jail just in time for the election? You're gonna tell me that I'm delusional, that I'm misremembering things? The way I see it, literally everything they censored as "fake" turned out to be true in the end. So what's the penalty for the truth ministers when they turn out to be wrong? Maybe they should sign the order for their own arrests? Are they even allowed to be wrong? Does reality have to bend and conform until they're right? Maybe they'll redefine pi as 5 and arrest the mathematicians who prove then wrong? I wouldn't even be surprised. Not to mention the fact Lula and his communists get constantly fact checked on Twitter/X. Every other day I run into some hilarious presidential tweet saying some dumb thing and the fact checking proving the opposite with source links. Latest episode was some official claiming that TikTok had already been banned in the US. So where's the censorship for these guys? Why hasn't the president been arrested for spreading fake news yet? ... Oh I see it now. That's why they hate Twitter/X so much.
  - thiagoharry 3y ago
    The Brazilian electoral laws forbid spending in secret for the purpose of buying or making propaganda for electoral campaign and also regulate what is allowed in the elections. You cannot, for example, spend money in secret, with undeclared propaganda. Neither you can create videos with distorted information. All these are fair reasons to remove content. Of course, if you are too blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism, it can be difficult to notice distortions because you believe in false or distorted informations.
    - lobocinza 3y ago
      > Of course, if you are too blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism, it can be difficult to notice distortions because you believe in false or distorted informations. Aren't you blinded by far left ideology? By marxism?
      - thiagoharry 3y ago
        I am not the one echoing on foreign forums and sites a discourse created by extremist groups to prevent criminals in Brazil to be punished by law. Nor I am imagining a non existent "dictatorship" just because extremists are being persecuted by laws, laws that equally applies to any side of the political spectrum. This "brazilian dictatorship of Alexandre de Moraes" is something from the far right discourse and supported by a very narrow group of people and is not agreed outside this specific bubble.
        lobocinza 3y ago
        Nowadays anyone that isn't far-left is called far-right and extremist, those words are meaningless. Only the supporters of Lula are supporting this narrative that the STF is only applying the law. I don't think they realize the danger of authoritarianism. Tides inevitably change. Where you also pro judicial activism when operation Car Wash arrested hundreds of corrupts and recovered billions of taxpayer money? Or are you only in favor of judicial activism when it's used to release your political idol from jail and to persecute his political adversaries?

thiagoharry 3y ago

Except that the contents banned in Brazil were illegal content. Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation. The Brazilian electoral laws forbids spending in secret for the purpose of buying or making propaganda for electoral campaign and also regulate what is allowed in the elections. For example: spending to propagate fake news to manipulate elections is not allowed.

matheusmoreira 3y ago
Fake news... Such as the fact Lula is a socialist and a communist? I have videos of him calling himself a socialist, that should be good enough proof for anyone. Yet the judges censored it as fake news before election day. Care to comment on that? How about the fact he appointed a communist to the supreme court to act as a judge? I believe his words were something along the lines of "we finally have a communist in the supreme court". You're gonna gaslight me by claiming that's fake? Maybe AI generated? Some guy asked this new judge point blank if he was a communist, I remember his reply was "thank god", as in, absolutely. But according to the authorities it's all a conspiracy theory and there is no communism anywhere in this nation, right? It's all fake. Fake news... Such as the fact Lula is friends with the Venezuelan dictator? You know, the guy the US charged with narco-terrorism? Fake news, right? Lula wouldn't be so brazen as to literally roll out the red carpet for this guy immediately after the election, would he? He totally did though. Must have been seeing things I guess. Yeah that must be it. I literally hallucinated the entire episode. Fake news... Such as the fact Lula was implicated in, convicted of and incarcerated for the biggest corruption scandal in the history of this country? And also the fact these judges just threw out the whole case on some minor technicality? Pulled him straight out of jail just in time for the election? You're gonna tell me that I'm delusional, that I'm misremembering things? The way I see it, literally everything they censored as "fake" turned out to be true in the end. So what's the penalty for the truth ministers when they turn out to be wrong? Maybe they should sign the order for their own arrests? Are they even allowed to be wrong? Does reality have to bend and conform until they're right? Maybe they'll redefine pi as 5 and arrest the mathematicians who prove then wrong? I wouldn't even be surprised. Not to mention the fact Lula and his communists get constantly fact checked on Twitter/X. Every other day I run into some hilarious presidential tweet saying some dumb thing and the fact checking proving the opposite with source links. Latest episode was some official claiming that TikTok had already been banned in the US. So where's the censorship for these guys? Why hasn't the president been arrested for spreading fake news yet? ... Oh I see it now. That's why they hate Twitter/X so much.
- thiagoharry 3y ago
  The Brazilian electoral laws forbid spending in secret for the purpose of buying or making propaganda for electoral campaign and also regulate what is allowed in the elections. You cannot, for example, spend money in secret, with undeclared propaganda. Neither you can create videos with distorted information. All these are fair reasons to remove content. Of course, if you are too blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism, it can be difficult to notice distortions because you believe in false or distorted informations.
  - lobocinza 3y ago
    > Of course, if you are too blinded by far right ideology or McCarthyism, it can be difficult to notice distortions because you believe in false or distorted informations. Aren't you blinded by far left ideology? By marxism?
    - thiagoharry 3y ago
      I am not the one echoing on foreign forums and sites a discourse created by extremist groups to prevent criminals in Brazil to be punished by law. Nor I am imagining a non existent "dictatorship" just because extremists are being persecuted by laws, laws that equally applies to any side of the political spectrum. This "brazilian dictatorship of Alexandre de Moraes" is something from the far right discourse and supported by a very narrow group of people and is not agreed outside this specific bubble.
      - lobocinza 3y ago
        Nowadays anyone that isn't far-left is called far-right and extremist, those words are meaningless. Only the supporters of Lula are supporting this narrative that the STF is only applying the law. I don't think they realize the danger of authoritarianism. Tides inevitably change. Where you also pro judicial activism when operation Car Wash arrested hundreds of corrupts and recovered billions of taxpayer money? Or are you only in favor of judicial activism when it's used to release your political idol from jail and to persecute his political adversaries?