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Brazil's top court says 'every company is subject to the constitution'

1 points by r721 3y ago

proc0 3y ago
Their constitution that apparently does not have free speech.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  It absolutely does. I'll translate the relevant parts of the brazilian constitution for you: > The expression of thought is free > The expression of intellectual, artistic, scientific and communication activities are free, independently of censure or license > The manifestation of thought, of creation, of expression and of information, in any form and by any process or vehicle, shall suffer no restriction > Any and all censorship of political, ideological and artistic nature is prohibited The problem is these judges.
  - proc0 3y ago
    I see, that makes sense. Thanks.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
That's rich coming from judges who engaged in blatantly unconstitutional political censorship. They're the guys whose literal job is to apply our constitution but ironically they're the least qualified to do it. Not only are they not morally qualified, they are also not technically qualified. In Brazil, judges are minted by competition, they are tested via a process known as concurso público which roughly translates as public contest. Law professionals study hard, take the tests and the best are selected to become judges. Essentially, every qualified lawyer wants these well paid positions and they compete for them. Not these supreme court guys though. They're essentially randoms, appointed to the court by the president. In Brazil, the real judges are subordinate to these political appointees. So completely backwards even laymen can see the discrepancy, they even have a saying for it: in Brazil, the utility pole pisses on the dog. The guy this article is talking about? He went to public events to brag about how he personally abused his supreme court powers to defeat Bolsonaro. It's just incredible to see all this play out in real time.
thiagoharry 3y ago
Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation. This always were the case. And Musk is free to appeal to court if he disagrees with something. However, this would not help the far righ to create a narrative of censoring against free speech, so it's better to just make a lot of noise on Xwitter. Curiously, Elon Musk has no problems with censorship in India, made at the whims of local president, because in this case it is the far right that are censoring things. "Free speech" becomes a problem when it is the far right that it is being investigated and had accounts suspended, not at the whims of the president, but because of court decision.

1 points by r721 3y ago

proc0 3y ago

Their constitution that apparently does not have free speech.

matheusmoreira 3y ago
It absolutely does. I'll translate the relevant parts of the brazilian constitution for you: > The expression of thought is free > The expression of intellectual, artistic, scientific and communication activities are free, independently of censure or license > The manifestation of thought, of creation, of expression and of information, in any form and by any process or vehicle, shall suffer no restriction > Any and all censorship of political, ideological and artistic nature is prohibited The problem is these judges.
- proc0 3y ago
  I see, that makes sense. Thanks.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

That's rich coming from judges who engaged in blatantly unconstitutional political censorship. They're the guys whose literal job is to apply our constitution but ironically they're the least qualified to do it. Not only are they not morally qualified, they are also not technically qualified. In Brazil, judges are minted by competition, they are tested via a process known as concurso público which roughly translates as public contest. Law professionals study hard, take the tests and the best are selected to become judges. Essentially, every qualified lawyer wants these well paid positions and they compete for them. Not these supreme court guys though. They're essentially randoms, appointed to the court by the president. In Brazil, the real judges are subordinate to these political appointees. So completely backwards even laymen can see the discrepancy, they even have a saying for it: in Brazil, the utility pole pisses on the dog. The guy this article is talking about? He went to public events to brag about how he personally abused his supreme court powers to defeat Bolsonaro. It's just incredible to see all this play out in real time.

thiagoharry 3y ago

Brazilian law allows content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation. This always were the case. And Musk is free to appeal to court if he disagrees with something. However, this would not help the far righ to create a narrative of censoring against free speech, so it's better to just make a lot of noise on Xwitter. Curiously, Elon Musk has no problems with censorship in India, made at the whims of local president, because in this case it is the far right that are censoring things. "Free speech" becomes a problem when it is the far right that it is being investigated and had accounts suspended, not at the whims of the president, but because of court decision.