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Intel's ambitious Meteor Lake iGPU
- yread 3y agodiscussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39973599 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39973599
- lloydatkinson 3y agoUnfortunately a weird train wreck of wrong and strange statements.
- Rinzler89 3y agoNot just that but the wrong and off topic statements also get up voted to the top. Maddening.
- Jonnax 3y agoIt's a technical article about an esoteric topic, you don't usually get good discussion. Sometimes it's good for a laugh. Like I remember a commenter in one of the XZ posts saying that open source contributors should be required to have US security clearance. The top comment talking about Vista (2007), Crisis (last game 2011), Witcher (Last game 2015) and the Datsun name change (1986) is really something.
- shzhdbi09gv8ioi 3y agoYep, or the fact that such a commenter has 70k karma on HN is something, too.
- Uehreka 3y agoI looked and he’s one of those people who submit 2 posts per hour. And like, I wouldn’t want to do that, but if you’re a news junkie who feeds articles into HN soon after they come out and gives us stuff to talk about, it makes sense that you’d have huge karma in the long term since you’re providing a service to the HN community.
- alexey-salmin 3y agoTwo posts per hour and deep comments that turn into word salad under close examination? Could be a gpt-bot as well
- PaulHoule 3y agoMy YOShInOn can't write text, at least not yet. (I am thinking about T5 to attach Mastodon tags) I think most generative models would be too polite to say something like that or would be more tentative.
- selimthegrim 3y agodaniel-cussen has entered the chat
- Marsymars 3y agoI have a suspicion that the reason a lot of LLM bots can output stuff akin to word salad is because a lot of their training data is word salad in the first place. If you're a competent reader pre-LLM, you can mostly avoid/discount word salad, so its prevalence doesn't really register.
- PaulHoule 3y ago[flagged]
- Teever 3y agoWhy are you talking about "YOShInOn" like people know what you're talking about?
- PaulHoule 3y agoIt's a better marketing tactic than posting a link to a sign up form for a product that doesn't exist yet. When I do get that blog post done I know there will be pent up interest. For now see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=yoshinon&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
- user_7832 3y agoI've found r/hardware to often have good discussion. As a bonus, a fair number of ex-Anandtech journalists frequent the sub too and often chime in.
- dagmx 3y ago/r/hardware is pretty bad about anything that isn’t gaming oriented products and even then it’s a crapshoot.
- user_7832 3y agoI don't know if I'd agree. Threads that have a decent number of comments (10+, ideally 50+) often have people correcting each other or clarifying, for eg in topics like foundries/process nodes. There's a recent thread on the new iPhone using 2nm and the discussion there too is about how it's unexpected etc. This might be "basic" or simple for folks in the industry, but for the average tech nerd like me it certainly seems good quality enough. [0] - https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1c0rdhi/2nm_chip_for_iphone_17_pro_on_track_despite_twin/ https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1c0rdhi/2nm_chip_...
- Teever 3y agoFeel free to correct and clarify those statements.
- lloydatkinson 3y agoWhat, you think that's a worthwhile endeavour? Getting people to change their mind in this site is far worse and a far more toxic experience than reddit.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoWaiting for Strix Halo.
- AtlasBarfed 3y agoWell, the article is a bit of a mess. ... so, what exactly makes it ambitious? The article itself brands AMD as afterthoughts in "GPU" (note: virtually no references to actual graphics, I get it, AI pushes all the investment these days), and then plops down performance graphs that generally show AMD to be better. It talks about "compromised" gaming as the stated bar in the opening paragraph. I understand that Intel has shown near-complete managerial incompetence in discrete graphics despite trying every five years or so. So maybe "not totally failing" is "ambitious". Maybe at some point, GPUs are "good enough", once you can 4k 120FPS enough aa textured triangles, it's more about art design, modelling, etc (something I actually think AI will be really beneficial for) Alas the tantalizing prospect of real time raytracing seems to be backburnered under the AI hype onslaught. So maybe the "lesser" iGPU will be a new sweet spot for a couple generations. Maybe having all the high end cards swooped up for LLM training will have the PC gaming market take a breather and work on optimizing for a somewhat stable hardware capability.
- queuebert 3y ago> Alas the tantalizing prospect of real time raytracing seems to be backburnered under the AI hype onslaught. Can you elaborate on this? Is that because ray tracing needs only simple vector units, while AI is driving tensor-type architectures?
- AkBKukU 3y agoNot OP, but to provide some historical perspective, RTX hardware raytracing is very firmly a gimmick and it isn't AI nonsense that's going to be the end of it. It's going to go the way of PhysX, 3D Vision, and EAX audio. Cool, but complicated and not worth the effort to game devs. Game designers have to make all the lighting twice to fully implement RT, and it's just not worth the effort to them. Nvidia's own site[1] lists a total of 8 Full RT compatible games, half of which they themselves helped port. There are far more games that "use" it, but only in additional to traditional lighting at the same time to minimize dev costs. Based on that and past trends, I would personally predict it to be dropped after a generation or two unless they can reuse the RT cores for something else and keep it around as a vestigial feature. [1] https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-rtx-games-engines-apps/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-rtx-games-e...
- neon_me 3y agoGov needs/invest in Intel chips and they will deliver paradigm shift soon.
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- jjtheblunt 3y agoJustification for the assertion?
- sixothree 3y agoHow do you pronounce Xe? I feel like that might just be a huge psychological barrier for most people.
- wmf 3y agoApparently the official pronunciation is "ex ee" (not "zee").
- itishappy 3y agoSource: TechTechPotato: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o3-yxUwjSQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o3-yxUwjSQ Intel Keynote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o3-yxUwjSQ&t=570s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o3-yxUwjSQ&t=570s
- itishappy 3y agoThose were the same video... Whoops! Intel Keynote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kWiRrf2o6Q&t=570s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kWiRrf2o6Q&t=570s
- iforgotpassword 3y agoSo it's like gif, I'll keep saying zee.
- wmf 3y agoHonestly nobody cares. It's not even a good GPU.
- sixothree 3y agoI honestly felt kind of embarrassed asking (especially here). But also that fact means something here.
- downrightmike 3y agolike *.exe
- Const-me 3y agoIntel Core Ultra 7 155H can be configured to 20-65W TDP. AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme can be configured to 9-30W. Similar performance level at twice the power consumption doesn’t look particularly impressive. Which is sad because things tend to stagnate without competition. Look at the current GPU landscape dominated by nVidia, or the CPU market during the decade before AMD Ryzen was released. Unless Intel manages to deliver something good, we gonna see similar stagnation with CPUs and APUs, with the market dominated by AMD products.
- cjblomqvist 3y agoQualcom and Apple is pushing forward so probably not a big issue. I'd rather say we're in a very interesting situation for CPUs right now (compared with 5-10 years ago). GPUs on the other hand seems much more dominated by Nvidia. It seems though there are some competitors (AMD aside) lurking in the background though (again, Qualcomm and Apple). Interesting that the new contenders seem to have a very typical disruptive innovation approach - moving up from the lower end up to more higher end products (with one specific edge; power efficiency). Even more interesting, this concept (coined/popularized by Clayton Christensen) stems from research in the hard drive industry! Full circle!
- dylan604 3y agoDoes the fact that the new GPU "chips" from Apple et al are integrated vs expansion PCIe cards give them more room for faster advancement from Nvidia, or just the fact that they started with a very mature GPU market as guides the biggest boost? If integration is key, will Nvidia reach a point where they get beat because they are external to the CPU?
- cjblomqvist 3y agoMaybe, but is the interface a significant factor here? From what I understand one of the biggest advantages of Nvidia among GPU companies is their strong software part (eg CUDA). That speaks to that Apple has a different kind of integration advantage (they probably need a much smaller software base because they control a lot of the other side of it). I must say I don't see anyone outcompete Nvidia anytime shortly though. I just don't see anyone having any significant edge. But, I didn't see Apple coming either, despite iPhone showing clear signs of some very exciting performance increases year after year. I guess I didn't think Apple was interested/thought it was worth it. After all, their market/value (imo) stems not so much from a CPU advantage (very clearly it didn't just a few years ago laptop wise anyway). And it's risky - it could end up as it did before with PowerVR.
- ines26 3y ago.