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“Countries” do not want censorship. Corrupt bureaucrats in power do.

Ekaros 2y ago
Essentially corrupt bureaucrats are the countries. They might have to occasionally follow whims of elected representatives, which the populous is forced to vote and select from small pool.
- andrenth 2y ago
  I think putting it that way could lead someone to believe a country’s population agrees with the actions of the managerial elite. But yes, I agree with the essence of the idea, though I think it’s clearer to say they own or run the country.
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  No, they're not. These judges do not represent me. I did not vote for them at all. Actually not a single person did.
  - lobocinza 2y ago
    They are. Brazil isn't a democracy. There is a non-elected elite with absolute power. They can indict, investigate, prosecute and condemn anyone at their whim. Elected representatives aren't immune (e.g. Deltan Dallagnol, Sergio Moro). They can nullify and change laws made by elected representatives. They can create new laws out of thin air. They can uncondemn criminals.
    - matheusmoreira 2y ago
      I know, and I agree. I just consider it completely illegitimate. If anyone attempted a coup in Brazil, it was the supreme court. Looks like they succeeded too, unlike Bolsonaro and his clumsy flirtations with the topic.
      - lobocinza 2y ago
        Yes and Bolsonaro flirtations are theatrical. He and his sons are always the firsts to dose water on the fire when things get close to reaching a critical mass. They sabotaged the opening of a parliamentary investigation of the supreme court (CPI da Lava-Toga). e.g. https://youtu.be/jivOclOWSVY?si=TRiw6yBaTYRh94n9&t=84 https://youtu.be/jivOclOWSVY?si=TRiw6yBaTYRh94n9&t=84 To foreigners: you don't understand how powerful the Brazilian supreme court is and how flawed our short-lived constitution is. Due to "foro privilegiado" they are the ones who judge politicians for their crimes and ensure that only the few who fell out of favor get condemned. As pretty much every politician is involved in some sort of wrongdoing, the supreme court pretty much owns everybody. Bolsonaro is no exception and his anti-democratic show is the only thing providing a simulacrum of legitimacy to the authoritarian acts of the supreme court.
        matheusmoreira 2y ago
        > He and his sons are always the firsts to dose water on the fire when things get close to reaching a critical mass. That's why I no longer have any respect for him at all. He's a coward with no balls, no convictions and no vision. It's hilarious to me how he's being treated like some ruthless dictator. If only he had been one. He's being treated like Hitler anyway, might as well have tried it just to see what happens. Too cowardly to even do that.

Essentially corrupt bureaucrats are the countries. They might have to occasionally follow whims of elected representatives, which the populous is forced to vote and select from small pool.

andrenth 2y ago
I think putting it that way could lead someone to believe a country’s population agrees with the actions of the managerial elite. But yes, I agree with the essence of the idea, though I think it’s clearer to say they own or run the country.
matheusmoreira 2y ago
No, they're not. These judges do not represent me. I did not vote for them at all. Actually not a single person did.
- lobocinza 2y ago
  They are. Brazil isn't a democracy. There is a non-elected elite with absolute power. They can indict, investigate, prosecute and condemn anyone at their whim. Elected representatives aren't immune (e.g. Deltan Dallagnol, Sergio Moro). They can nullify and change laws made by elected representatives. They can create new laws out of thin air. They can uncondemn criminals.
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago
    I know, and I agree. I just consider it completely illegitimate. If anyone attempted a coup in Brazil, it was the supreme court. Looks like they succeeded too, unlike Bolsonaro and his clumsy flirtations with the topic.
    - lobocinza 2y ago
      Yes and Bolsonaro flirtations are theatrical. He and his sons are always the firsts to dose water on the fire when things get close to reaching a critical mass. They sabotaged the opening of a parliamentary investigation of the supreme court (CPI da Lava-Toga). e.g. https://youtu.be/jivOclOWSVY?si=TRiw6yBaTYRh94n9&t=84 https://youtu.be/jivOclOWSVY?si=TRiw6yBaTYRh94n9&t=84 To foreigners: you don't understand how powerful the Brazilian supreme court is and how flawed our short-lived constitution is. Due to "foro privilegiado" they are the ones who judge politicians for their crimes and ensure that only the few who fell out of favor get condemned. As pretty much every politician is involved in some sort of wrongdoing, the supreme court pretty much owns everybody. Bolsonaro is no exception and his anti-democratic show is the only thing providing a simulacrum of legitimacy to the authoritarian acts of the supreme court.
      - matheusmoreira 2y ago
        > He and his sons are always the firsts to dose water on the fire when things get close to reaching a critical mass. That's why I no longer have any respect for him at all. He's a coward with no balls, no convictions and no vision. It's hilarious to me how he's being treated like some ruthless dictator. If only he had been one. He's being treated like Hitler anyway, might as well have tried it just to see what happens. Too cowardly to even do that.