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Typical Apple hiding behind the walled garden to avoid actual competition via users not having any path to switching platforms. The Apple value prop used to be

Typical Apple hiding behind the walled garden to avoid actual competition via users not having any path to switching platforms. The Apple value prop used to be “it all works together”, now it’s “half the shit you spent thousands on won’t work if you leave the island”. The Tim Cook era is great for stock holders, but he’s one of the prime enshittifiers in Silicon Valley.

HumblyTossed 3y ago
As much as I hate defending them, Apple does license out "Find My" tech, so is this really their fault?
- bevekspldnw 3y ago
  Yes, but the entire MFi program is just a consumer tax paid to Apple. It’s an extortion racket.
  - GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
    Is it a "walled garden" or is it an "extortion racket" then?
    - bevekspldnw 3y ago
      The first is the mechanism for the second.
cbeach 3y ago
If we were to force all new technologies to be interoperable with all technologies from all possible competitors we’d create a Kafkaesque nightmare for innovators and particularly early stage startups.
- fsflover 3y ago
  Like, you know, the Internet?
  - cbeach 3y ago
    Indeed. Good example. If Cerf, Kahn and others had been forced to make the internet (as we know it today) compatible with with nascent competitors such as X.25, Cyclades, OGAS and EIN, it would have compromised the design process with a “too many chefs” problem. Also would have forced the Internet to a lowest common denominator of capability.
    - InsomniacL 3y ago
      In the IOT/Home Automation device world, Zigbee and Z-Wave were competing standards. Z-Wave was a proprietary standard and have a device certification process. Zigbee was a open-source IEEE standard. Both had their pros and cons but weren't interoperable. Manufactures have agreed to create and move to a new standard "Matter" > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_(standard) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_(standard) I don't see why this success storey couldn't happen for the 'lost device world' or most other proprietary non-interoperable systems. (why can't i send a message from Whatsapp to Messenger)
- prmoustache 3y ago
  Shouldn't they just all publish the RFCs and actually implement the techs the way they are written in the RFCs?
pzo 3y ago
> The Tim Cook era is great for stock holders Not anymore, since 2022 apple stock was mostly flat and today is even below January 2022. Vision Pro is a flop as today (maybe future iteration will change that) - just look at google trends. Hopefully Apple change the course or Tim Cook get replaced - especially if they don't show anything meaningful related to AI/ML at this WWDC.

HumblyTossed 3y ago

As much as I hate defending them, Apple does license out "Find My" tech, so is this really their fault?

bevekspldnw 3y ago
Yes, but the entire MFi program is just a consumer tax paid to Apple. It’s an extortion racket.
- GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
  Is it a "walled garden" or is it an "extortion racket" then?
  - bevekspldnw 3y ago
    The first is the mechanism for the second.

cbeach 3y ago

If we were to force all new technologies to be interoperable with all technologies from all possible competitors we’d create a Kafkaesque nightmare for innovators and particularly early stage startups.

fsflover 3y ago
Like, you know, the Internet?
- cbeach 3y ago
  Indeed. Good example. If Cerf, Kahn and others had been forced to make the internet (as we know it today) compatible with with nascent competitors such as X.25, Cyclades, OGAS and EIN, it would have compromised the design process with a “too many chefs” problem. Also would have forced the Internet to a lowest common denominator of capability.
  - InsomniacL 3y ago
    In the IOT/Home Automation device world, Zigbee and Z-Wave were competing standards. Z-Wave was a proprietary standard and have a device certification process. Zigbee was a open-source IEEE standard. Both had their pros and cons but weren't interoperable. Manufactures have agreed to create and move to a new standard "Matter" > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_(standard) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_(standard) I don't see why this success storey couldn't happen for the 'lost device world' or most other proprietary non-interoperable systems. (why can't i send a message from Whatsapp to Messenger)
prmoustache 3y ago
Shouldn't they just all publish the RFCs and actually implement the techs the way they are written in the RFCs?

pzo 3y ago

> The Tim Cook era is great for stock holders Not anymore, since 2022 apple stock was mostly flat and today is even below January 2022. Vision Pro is a flop as today (maybe future iteration will change that) - just look at google trends. Hopefully Apple change the course or Tim Cook get replaced - especially if they don't show anything meaningful related to AI/ML at this WWDC.