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While I will Vouch for your right to say that, and I find the professional atheists like Dawkins to be a bunch of a-holes: Personally, I think that when you're

While I will Vouch for your right to say that, and I find the professional atheists like Dawkins to be a bunch of a-holes: Personally, I think that when you're dead, you're just dead. Like sleep, except you don't wake up or dream. When your neurons are shutting off, they probably put on one hell of a show for you. Just like the show they put on that convinces you that "consciousness" is a real thing, and you have a "soul." It's not and you don't. But like I said, I think what you believe is probably good for humans, on the whole, and I don't condemn it at all.

nickpsecurity 3y ago
I appreciate your kindness. The brain dying might indeed put on some kind of show. Having had an out of body experience (i.e. electrocution), I'll confirm it does make people open to an afterlife. Then, I was quite opposed to religion later. Then, God's Word proved true, it claims these other things, and so I have to believe it over my personal opinion. Our faith is about objective truth after all. Getting to the root, the Word can be confirmed by internal knowledge or outside evidence. Most come to faith by God drawing us in as we hear or read His Word with a humble, seeking attitude. His sheep hear His voice. I recommend starting in John for that while asking who Jesus is and what we must do. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=ESV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=... For external evidence, the Word was confirmed in more ways than most things people believe. It's more rational than many beliefs. I summarized that here: https://www.gethisword.com/evidence.html https://www.gethisword.com/evidence.html I've prayed that you find Him through any of these methods. That He also helps you better face anything in your life, too. I'm glad God has already shown you the goodness in what He does.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  A note for owendlamb and you: I have no interest in debating this with you. However, I do have a suggestion, which Gary Luckenbaugh (not an HN'er, I don't think) took from me, and is delighted he did: Start a Substack channel. It can be free (like mine). Gary has one on the BASIC language, and he's thrilled when hundreds of people all over the world read his posts. On HN you don't know how many even saw your post, but on Substack you will. You'll probably find that there are already a lot of religious channels, but who knows -- maybe yours will stand out!
  - nickpsecurity 3y ago
    I appreciate the tip. I might do that sometime as a YouTube alternative. I don’t really try to promote myself or anything, though. In the Great Commission, Jesus commanded believers to take His message to the world so they won’t perish. He and the Apostles always went wherever people were already gathering or to those unreached. Likewise, I go to places with people from many walks of life to meet them, learn from them, bless them, and share Christ, too. HN is quite a blessing because I get to see most of that happen here. Except for Christ and His Word which I talk about when the occasion arises. I really do enjoy meeting all of you. :)
owendlamb 3y ago
AlbertCory, I appreciate your frankness. I also doubt that any sensory or neural show could prove the existence of the supernatural; but I still believe in the supernatural, merely on the grounds that the natural exists, and I want to tell you why. You know how the very consistency of the rules of the material world seem to outlive the world itself? The fact that 1 and 1 are 2 outlives the fact that a certain bottle of beer and another bottle of beer are two bottles of beer. Even if I found a single receptacle that could hold all the beer (mmm), 1 and 1 would remain 2, the fact altogether out of my reach to alter. Similarly the pecking order in a chicken coop won't last longer than the chickens and the coop, and it can change besides—but 1 always comes before 2, and 2 before 3, and no other numbers will displace that order even if you shoved another chicken between two others near the front of the line every other second. You may destroy the line of chickens, but you'll never shake 6 off 5's tail. The faculty by which you and I recognize these obvious truths—well, what kind of stuff is it? Do we "sense" the very number 1 in all its splendor with our mere ears or somehow conjure it up from a multiplicity of neurons? or do we merely suppose or opine, rather than know, that the numbers take a particular order? Of course not! Rather, we find out. We label the numbers arbitrarily to keep easy track of them, and then we count them: we see where they'll take us. We're along for the ride, passengers on someone else's train, one that can take you right outside the universe to the mysterious land of D'oh—a land, you might say, more real than our native one. Now, the faculty by which we recognize that numbers are always prior to material nature—since nature plays by number's rules but never the other way round—what will we call it? I call it reason, anyway. It's notable among our faculties for comprehending eternal things like number, as naturally as anything else. So commonly a human being will prefer pure numbers to any sloppy instantiation of them. Bees make hexagonal honeycombs out of natural habit because the shape of a hexagon works well; a human, however, contemplates the pure hexagon and tells its ratios and properties to other humans on HN because the numbers are just that cool, hang usefulness. This is one thing that divides humans from the mere animals. From all this it seems to me more plain that the spiritual human soul (the part of the human that touches or is itself in eternity) exists than that Mumbai is a real city, or even that the earth is a geoid and not a perfect sphere (though I believe these things also). And anyway, I use mine every day. I should know.
- knightoffaith 3y ago

nickpsecurity 3y ago

I appreciate your kindness. The brain dying might indeed put on some kind of show. Having had an out of body experience (i.e. electrocution), I'll confirm it does make people open to an afterlife. Then, I was quite opposed to religion later. Then, God's Word proved true, it claims these other things, and so I have to believe it over my personal opinion. Our faith is about objective truth after all. Getting to the root, the Word can be confirmed by internal knowledge or outside evidence. Most come to faith by God drawing us in as we hear or read His Word with a humble, seeking attitude. His sheep hear His voice. I recommend starting in John for that while asking who Jesus is and what we must do. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=ESV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=... For external evidence, the Word was confirmed in more ways than most things people believe. It's more rational than many beliefs. I summarized that here: https://www.gethisword.com/evidence.html https://www.gethisword.com/evidence.html I've prayed that you find Him through any of these methods. That He also helps you better face anything in your life, too. I'm glad God has already shown you the goodness in what He does.

AlbertCory 3y ago
A note for owendlamb and you: I have no interest in debating this with you. However, I do have a suggestion, which Gary Luckenbaugh (not an HN'er, I don't think) took from me, and is delighted he did: Start a Substack channel. It can be free (like mine). Gary has one on the BASIC language, and he's thrilled when hundreds of people all over the world read his posts. On HN you don't know how many even saw your post, but on Substack you will. You'll probably find that there are already a lot of religious channels, but who knows -- maybe yours will stand out!
- nickpsecurity 3y ago
  I appreciate the tip. I might do that sometime as a YouTube alternative. I don’t really try to promote myself or anything, though. In the Great Commission, Jesus commanded believers to take His message to the world so they won’t perish. He and the Apostles always went wherever people were already gathering or to those unreached. Likewise, I go to places with people from many walks of life to meet them, learn from them, bless them, and share Christ, too. HN is quite a blessing because I get to see most of that happen here. Except for Christ and His Word which I talk about when the occasion arises. I really do enjoy meeting all of you. :)

owendlamb 3y ago

AlbertCory, I appreciate your frankness. I also doubt that any sensory or neural show could prove the existence of the supernatural; but I still believe in the supernatural, merely on the grounds that the natural exists, and I want to tell you why. You know how the very consistency of the rules of the material world seem to outlive the world itself? The fact that 1 and 1 are 2 outlives the fact that a certain bottle of beer and another bottle of beer are two bottles of beer. Even if I found a single receptacle that could hold all the beer (mmm), 1 and 1 would remain 2, the fact altogether out of my reach to alter. Similarly the pecking order in a chicken coop won't last longer than the chickens and the coop, and it can change besides—but 1 always comes before 2, and 2 before 3, and no other numbers will displace that order even if you shoved another chicken between two others near the front of the line every other second. You may destroy the line of chickens, but you'll never shake 6 off 5's tail. The faculty by which you and I recognize these obvious truths—well, what kind of stuff is it? Do we "sense" the very number 1 in all its splendor with our mere ears or somehow conjure it up from a multiplicity of neurons? or do we merely suppose or opine, rather than know, that the numbers take a particular order? Of course not! Rather, we find out. We label the numbers arbitrarily to keep easy track of them, and then we count them: we see where they'll take us. We're along for the ride, passengers on someone else's train, one that can take you right outside the universe to the mysterious land of D'oh—a land, you might say, more real than our native one. Now, the faculty by which we recognize that numbers are always prior to material nature—since nature plays by number's rules but never the other way round—what will we call it? I call it reason, anyway. It's notable among our faculties for comprehending eternal things like number, as naturally as anything else. So commonly a human being will prefer pure numbers to any sloppy instantiation of them. Bees make hexagonal honeycombs out of natural habit because the shape of a hexagon works well; a human, however, contemplates the pure hexagon and tells its ratios and properties to other humans on HN because the numbers are just that cool, hang usefulness. This is one thing that divides humans from the mere animals. From all this it seems to me more plain that the spiritual human soul (the part of the human that touches or is itself in eternity) exists than that Mumbai is a real city, or even that the earth is a geoid and not a perfect sphere (though I believe these things also). And anyway, I use mine every day. I should know.

knightoffaith 3y ago