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It's getting hard to believe anything in this world anymore. A million shells fired by the Germans in Verdun in a mere 8 hours and now the entirety of Europe ca

It's getting hard to believe anything in this world anymore. A million shells fired by the Germans in Verdun in a mere 8 hours and now the entirety of Europe can't make that number in a year.

ttoinou 3y ago
Those aren't the same shells though
- bluGill 3y ago
  They would work and be better than the nothing we have. Well some minor adustment for 155mm shells.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    Well actually against modern armor they wouldn't work much better than nothing
    - bell-cot 3y ago
      Artillery shells are (99%) for use against infantry and other soft targets. Anti-armor is at most a micro-niche.
simmerup 3y ago
Just wait until we see what China can produce for a war
- throwaway9870 3y ago
  Add about two zeros to what the West collectively can build.
- lm28469 3y ago
  I'm very curious actually, especially after seeing how the 2nd largest army in the world is performing in Ukraine
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  China has been supplying the entire world with basically all of modern industrial goods. They have over 10x Russia's industry. Anyone who draws China into a prolonged conflict is too dumb to live.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Anyone who draws China into a prolonged conflict is too dumb to live On land. Attacking Taiwan necessitates combined-arms warfare.
hibikir 3y ago
Did you ever read on the early parts of the war, during the race to the sea? Both sides were extremely low on ammunition, as they realized that their ideas of how much ordinance would be used in a real war were completely wrong. It took a really long time to ramp up production capacity to get anywhere near Verdun, and for the biggest horrors of WWI's trench warfare to appear. Everyone kind of learned their lesson for WWII, as the real signal that war was coming wasn't actual invasion, but the ramping up of industry to actually supply combat. The US intervention in Europe couldn't have happened much earlier, because setting up the logistics to do any intervention whatsoever took years... and this was at a time where, while the US still claimed neutrality, the country was already changing their industrial production to be able to begin intervention. So even in the good old days, nobody could change their industrial capacity to supply a war on a dime. And if there is no war, the costs of dedicating so much production to unused equipment is prohibitive
lm28469 3y ago
I'll take 10 000 modern shells over 1m of whatever the fuck they were using back in ww1. The accuracy was "it's going to fall somewhere between us and were the canon is pointed" and up to 50% didn't detonate. We're talking about: https://nfknowledge.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/2573.jpg https://nfknowledge.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/2573.jpg vs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors/Nexter_Bonus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors/Nexter_Bonus
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It's getting hard to believe anything in this world anymore. A million shells fired by the Germans in Verdun in a mere 8 hours and now the entirety of Europe can't make that number in a year.

ttoinou 3y ago

Those aren't the same shells though

bluGill 3y ago
They would work and be better than the nothing we have. Well some minor adustment for 155mm shells.
- lm28469 3y ago
  Well actually against modern armor they wouldn't work much better than nothing
  - bell-cot 3y ago
    Artillery shells are (99%) for use against infantry and other soft targets. Anti-armor is at most a micro-niche.

simmerup 3y ago

Just wait until we see what China can produce for a war

throwaway9870 3y ago
Add about two zeros to what the West collectively can build.
lm28469 3y ago
I'm very curious actually, especially after seeing how the 2nd largest army in the world is performing in Ukraine
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
China has been supplying the entire world with basically all of modern industrial goods. They have over 10x Russia's industry. Anyone who draws China into a prolonged conflict is too dumb to live.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Anyone who draws China into a prolonged conflict is too dumb to live On land. Attacking Taiwan necessitates combined-arms warfare.

hibikir 3y ago

Did you ever read on the early parts of the war, during the race to the sea? Both sides were extremely low on ammunition, as they realized that their ideas of how much ordinance would be used in a real war were completely wrong. It took a really long time to ramp up production capacity to get anywhere near Verdun, and for the biggest horrors of WWI's trench warfare to appear. Everyone kind of learned their lesson for WWII, as the real signal that war was coming wasn't actual invasion, but the ramping up of industry to actually supply combat. The US intervention in Europe couldn't have happened much earlier, because setting up the logistics to do any intervention whatsoever took years... and this was at a time where, while the US still claimed neutrality, the country was already changing their industrial production to be able to begin intervention. So even in the good old days, nobody could change their industrial capacity to supply a war on a dime. And if there is no war, the costs of dedicating so much production to unused equipment is prohibitive

lm28469 3y ago

I'll take 10 000 modern shells over 1m of whatever the fuck they were using back in ww1. The accuracy was "it's going to fall somewhere between us and were the canon is pointed" and up to 50% didn't detonate. We're talking about: https://nfknowledge.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/2573.jpg https://nfknowledge.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/2573.jpg vs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors/Nexter_Bonus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors/Nexter_Bonus

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