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And yet, to deny that there's a difference in social ramifications for saying, "No blacks, fats, or femmes," to someone's face in a bar, versus only swiping rig

And yet, to deny that there's a difference in social ramifications for saying, "No blacks, fats, or femmes," to someone's face in a bar, versus only swiping right on people who could be mistaken for your twin/parent, is to deny reality. The point is that the technology makes a qualitative difference. >I am Indian-American What caste? That is to say, what was your ancestors' equivalent experience of racism? Persecutor or persecuted? This is relevant because you seem to have brought up your identity to lend credence to your argument as a person of color. I think it's fair to fully unpack that.

flumpcakes 3y ago
> What caste? That is to say, what was your ancestors' equivalent experience of racism? Persecutor or persecuted? This seems strange: to label entire people as either the victims or perpetrators of racism solely based on their caste.
- underlipton 3y ago
  Yes, that is expressly what caste entails. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10764522/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10764522/ >The Indian caste system is one of the oldest systematized and institutionalized forms of oppression, having been in existence for over 3,000 years (Thapa et al., 2021). https://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/g/general/caste0801.pdf https://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/g/general/caste0801.pdf >In much of Asia and parts of Africa, caste is the basis for the definition and exclusion of distinct population groups by reason of their descent. Using one's status as a person of color to legitimize carrying water for racism doesn't work if someone is upper caste. They've essentially seen all the benefits of their ancestral form of racism; their arguing for it carries no moral weight. I would say the same of someone from a noble lineage in Europe if they were to make the same statements.
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flumpcakes 3y ago

> What caste? That is to say, what was your ancestors' equivalent experience of racism? Persecutor or persecuted? This seems strange: to label entire people as either the victims or perpetrators of racism solely based on their caste.

underlipton 3y ago
Yes, that is expressly what caste entails. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10764522/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10764522/ >The Indian caste system is one of the oldest systematized and institutionalized forms of oppression, having been in existence for over 3,000 years (Thapa et al., 2021). https://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/g/general/caste0801.pdf https://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/g/general/caste0801.pdf >In much of Asia and parts of Africa, caste is the basis for the definition and exclusion of distinct population groups by reason of their descent. Using one's status as a person of color to legitimize carrying water for racism doesn't work if someone is upper caste. They've essentially seen all the benefits of their ancestral form of racism; their arguing for it carries no moral weight. I would say the same of someone from a noble lineage in Europe if they were to make the same statements.

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