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I don't follow Tesla terminology, is this actually FSD or fake FSD? If not actual FSD, is there a name for "actually FSD"?

michaelt 3y ago
The article says Tesla's "Full Self Driving" requires you to keep your hands on the wheel. I would say that is obviously not full self driving - but I suppose I'll never succeed in marketing with an attitude like that.
danpalmer 3y ago
It's full, until it's not. i.e. it does drive the car "fully", but can and does refuse at times if you get too far off where it knows, into terrain it doesn't understand, weather it's not trained on, roads it doesn't like, drivers around you doing things it's not expecting, etc.
toddmorey 3y ago
This is the genius or fallacy of Tesla's marketing, depending on how you look at it. There IS a standard from the SAE for describing autonomous driving that everyone else uses. By that standard, FSD is still at Level 2 out of 5. (But probably approaching level 3 in the next few years.) FSD as Tesla markets it (above the asterisk of course) would be level 5 autonomy where the car can complete a trip to any destination completely independent of any driver intervention. The current tech is not that. The best autonomy I've seen is from other players like GM's Cruise were the car can complete trips without having a driver on hand to intervene... but only in certain controlled areas / conditions.
- FeloniousHam 3y ago
  > The best autonomy I've seen is from other players like GM's Cruise were the car can complete trips without having a driver on hand to intervene... but only in certain controlled areas / conditions. Wouldn't this be the case with Tesla's FSD? I make trips that are fully driven by FSD (I'm using it again this month, but I had a 3 month trial when I bought the car), would you consider routinely successful operation within non-prescribed boundaries a "certain area"? I guess the disconnect between the critics and fans (I am one) is over the marketing; my understanding of "Tesla Full Self Driving" is not level 5 autonomy, it's "can drive better than my teenager most of the time". I (think I) understand the catastrophic downside risk of computer operated machinery in an uncontrolled environment, but my experience has been very positive. I think I understand the feature for what it is, an amazing and useful if imperfect tool, regardless of what it's called. (caveat: FSD is the only automated driving I've experienced)
elif 3y ago
I used it to go from Atlanta to San Diego to Oregon to Ohio and back last fall. On the highways it was like a train on rails, in national parks it was like a slow roller coaster. In cities it was a free Uber driver. I never had to take over for safety, and total ended up manual driving less than 1%.
AlotOfReading 3y ago
Tesla's "Full self driving" is a driver assistance system, a.k.a smart cruise control. At no point while using it are you supposed to stop driving, you simply stop providing control inputs to the vehicle. Systems where the human is not directly operating the vehicle are referred to as autonomous. You may also see them referred to by the SAE level system as L3, L4, or L5, each denoting autonomy in successively larger parts of the driving space.
rsynnott 3y ago
Fake. The actual term is for literal full self driving is SAE Level 5, and, helpfully, it does not exist.
TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
Fake Scam Driving?

michaelt 3y ago

The article says Tesla's "Full Self Driving" requires you to keep your hands on the wheel. I would say that is obviously not full self driving - but I suppose I'll never succeed in marketing with an attitude like that.

danpalmer 3y ago

It's full, until it's not. i.e. it does drive the car "fully", but can and does refuse at times if you get too far off where it knows, into terrain it doesn't understand, weather it's not trained on, roads it doesn't like, drivers around you doing things it's not expecting, etc.

toddmorey 3y ago

This is the genius or fallacy of Tesla's marketing, depending on how you look at it. There IS a standard from the SAE for describing autonomous driving that everyone else uses. By that standard, FSD is still at Level 2 out of 5. (But probably approaching level 3 in the next few years.) FSD as Tesla markets it (above the asterisk of course) would be level 5 autonomy where the car can complete a trip to any destination completely independent of any driver intervention. The current tech is not that. The best autonomy I've seen is from other players like GM's Cruise were the car can complete trips without having a driver on hand to intervene... but only in certain controlled areas / conditions.

FeloniousHam 3y ago
> The best autonomy I've seen is from other players like GM's Cruise were the car can complete trips without having a driver on hand to intervene... but only in certain controlled areas / conditions. Wouldn't this be the case with Tesla's FSD? I make trips that are fully driven by FSD (I'm using it again this month, but I had a 3 month trial when I bought the car), would you consider routinely successful operation within non-prescribed boundaries a "certain area"? I guess the disconnect between the critics and fans (I am one) is over the marketing; my understanding of "Tesla Full Self Driving" is not level 5 autonomy, it's "can drive better than my teenager most of the time". I (think I) understand the catastrophic downside risk of computer operated machinery in an uncontrolled environment, but my experience has been very positive. I think I understand the feature for what it is, an amazing and useful if imperfect tool, regardless of what it's called. (caveat: FSD is the only automated driving I've experienced)

elif 3y ago

I used it to go from Atlanta to San Diego to Oregon to Ohio and back last fall. On the highways it was like a train on rails, in national parks it was like a slow roller coaster. In cities it was a free Uber driver. I never had to take over for safety, and total ended up manual driving less than 1%.

AlotOfReading 3y ago

Tesla's "Full self driving" is a driver assistance system, a.k.a smart cruise control. At no point while using it are you supposed to stop driving, you simply stop providing control inputs to the vehicle. Systems where the human is not directly operating the vehicle are referred to as autonomous. You may also see them referred to by the SAE level system as L3, L4, or L5, each denoting autonomy in successively larger parts of the driving space.

rsynnott 3y ago

Fake. The actual term is for literal full self driving is SAE Level 5, and, helpfully, it does not exist.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

Fake Scam Driving?